It's complicated

@MamaButterfly Oh yes, I know... just don't know if most of the planet is with us

@MamaButterfly Yeah? So where was this savior during the holocaust? Taking a nap?

@val70 We are surely living in the "twighight zone" indeed.
However, there are many who do not know what is coming.

@LordShadowfire Dietrich Bonhoeffer's perspective on why God allows evil, particularly as expressed in his work Ethics, emphasizes that evil is concrete and specific, requiring the active, responsible actions of individuals in the face of it, rather than a focus on theoretical justifications for God's permitting it. He was critical of ethical systems that failed to confront evil directly, arguing instead that human free will and the choice to stray from God's path are central to the existence of evil and sin.

@LordShadowfire God allows us to suffer, so we may find salvation in Him.
So you want to blame God for the Holocaust?
God is not to blame for the suffering that happens in this world.
Is it easier for you to blame God for the suffering of the Jews because Hitler killed over 2million Jews.
I wonder how easy it was for Jesus to die on the cross for the our sins, as He was tortured and crucified for the sins of this world even before hitler existed?

@val70 Fascinating. Doesn't explain why God permits it.
@MamaButterfly
I'm sure that's such a comfort to rаре victims, especially the children, knowing that they were allowed to be traumatized beyond what most people can even comprehend in order to help people to believe in God. I'm certain that people who are literally starving to death as you read this sentence will find it to be such a joy to know that the prolonged agony they have endured at the hands of their fellow humans is all so that people can become Christians.
That would only be the case if he were powerless to prevent it. Is that what you're saying? Is he powerless?
You people always assume I blame God. How in the world could I blame someone who is incapable of doing anything?

@LordShadowfire God doesn't permit it as such, but lets free will reign. Take life as a colouring book. God gave you that book to colour. If you stay in the lines and actually use colours that make sense, well, that's already half way there. I think that it's better to actually focus on mankind as the butt of our anger

@val70 "god" is evil, period...

@MamaButterfly He doesn't seem to have accomplished much in the last 2000 years.

@hunkalove ?
Are you referring to God?
His Words are in the scriptures.

@NativePortlander1970 You are misinterpreting the Word of God.
We must read deeper.

@NativePortlander1970 You say God is evil and share a quoted scripture.
God is not evil.
This a a spiritual warfare against good and evil. Read deeper into the scripture you so quickly want to share. Please I encourage you to know His Word, His works.

@NativePortlander1970 Out of context. Ask Dr. Phil

@val70 That is the lamest excuse I've ever heard. So you're telling me that your God, who is 100% good, just sits back and does nothing while the most unspeakable crimes happen. Crimes of which I literally dare not write. And he's not allowing it? He's not permitting it? He could stop these people with the slightest effort. A snap of his fingers, and a serial rаpіѕt who torture his victims for 3 days before finally kіӏӏing them was never born.

And you claim he doesn't allow it. The most powerful being in the universe according to you, who literally created a giant fish to swallow Jonah because he wouldn't proselytize to the Ninevites, does nothing while a Jeffrey Dahmer or Ted Bundy is out there doing what he does best. Why? For what purpose? What possible purpose could that serve?
That only makes sense if you are willing to allow for the possibility that God either doesn't exist, or does exist but is powerless to stop suffering. The god you propose, the god of Christianity, has the power to stop the worst tortures that are going on right now, but doesn't.

@LordShadowfire Well, I have it my best shot. Just you go your way and I'll go mine. Bye!

@LordShadowfire You're response is AI generated! That is exactly the demonic forces that are controlling this world!
How is it so easy for you to blame God for the evilness that is becoming of this world if you do not know Him truly?
There is evil in this world, yes indeed. But this world is simply just the devil's playground and he has his way of convincing other he is good.
Why does everyone always want to blame God for the bad, but praises the devil at the same time.
The greatest lie the devil ever told was convincing others that he's not real.

@val70 Okay, because he has all the answers, lol!
Seriously reality tv is what rots the brains of humanity!

@MamaButterfly Really? You're going to sit there and dehumanize me? And that's what you think is going to get me to convert back to a religion I already decided was bs? You might as well just block me.

@MamaButterfly I was forced to read the holey buy bull cover to cover each and every year from the ages of seven to sixteen by my uber religious now retired church secretary mother, I know that evil book better than most preachers. I challenge you to read evilbible.com

@MamaButterfly I know. It's an inside joke :)