Honest question

@Lostpoet And it always come down to the conversation of what defines "personhood". I get that, I just find it backwards, personally. I can't let someone who does exist as a person suffer in front of me while other people tell them they have to.. It's contradictory to me and why I asked the question the way I did.

@SW-User America is still a very religious country a lot of people believe that life was meant to happen and that it begins at conception. I believe that America gives each individual the right to vote on their beliefs and if the argument is strong enough than eventually the laws will embrace the argument. Just look at laws on gay marriage or marijuana.

@Lostpoet Some of America, in that I understand the ruling, but it's going to bring undue hardship and last poll I found over 55% of Americans support the right for abortion. It's unfortunate I think that gets spun into meaning supporting killing unborn children, I've known a woman who had an abortion, and it's very far from an easy decision. It's life crushing for many and I really think it's a mistake the state decides to involve itself other than helping them in support.

@SW-User i agree and i've stated before that if the prolifer's spent more of their time, effort, and funding into helping women with a safe environment, job security, options for adoptions for adoption and the understanding that being pregnant doesn't mean that your dreams, ambitions, and life goals are over. I think if the conservatives did that then more babies would be born and less women will harm themselves over a very stressful situation.

@Lostpoet But thats only a start, and in my situation, from whom I had just met I could never had told her to have the child while she was going through university. That's a tremendous burden, you or I can never know, and especially the state can't know. Does it matter then her partner lied to her about contraception?

@SW-User Why not? How does pregnancy affect her ability to study?

@Lostpoet Wow... I promise it would affect the ability to focus, needs, and on. Are you going to make a litmus test for how they are supposed to be able?

@SW-User If i decided to drink a bottle of Window cleaner and someone called the cops on me i'd be charged with using a product outside of its intended purpose. Shouldn't it be my body my choice?

@Lostpoet Umm? I'm trying to understand how you are using that

@SW-User So would any other tragic accident. People graduate from the university after losing arms and legs and loved ones. Pregnant women should be given extra help while going through university i'll give you that.

@SW-User I'm saying my body my life, right? Shouldn't I be able to put any substance into my body? Should I be able to jump off of a building if i want to? It's my life right?

@Lostpoet So when she was lied to? She should have to give birth to an unwanted child, causing undue hardship on her, emotionally and mentally that would be hard to focus on study? Extra help only matters so much, and if you define personhood as a sentient being, able to think, subsist, you don't see why anyone would harm anyone living that way.

@Lostpoet I respect you don't like abortion as a whole, not many do. Think of the one who feels they have no choice but to

@SW-User Wouldn't her getting an abortion cause just as much stress, mental and physical on her body?

@Lostpoet not for 9 months, and then enduring stress naturally after. Short term yes and over long time maybe, but one can learn to deal with that when the world really says NOW. IT's why it's a CHOICE.

@SW-User Roe vs Wade has been in effect as far as i can remember so I don't know any other way. But I mean if we really cared about women and what they go through than there are better ways than just simply saying get an abortion. Any surgery is stressful on the human body.

@Lostpoet You aren't going to get me to say I did anything wrong in helping someone. I'd stand beside her at that time if she had been denied

@Lostpoet Yet, you seem to fall on the words "simply" get. Its never simple for most.

@SW-User But why isn't it a choice for me to use any substance or kill myself if i so choose? The point is there are certain aspects in anyone's life that they don't get to choose.

@Lostpoet One thing I do find ironic, Canada had laws longer against, we settled it later and have rested together's it a healthcare issue between doctor and patient. Easy.

@Lostpoet You have that choice, as do any pregnant women in a state in outlawing abortion, they can have a back alley one, yet thankfully, some states are taking a more compassionate approach as that is what they really need when faced with such decision, not stigma and ridicule.

@SW-User That's why i think there should be a safety net and places for women to go with professional clinic help that will give them reasonable resources. i get in some cases it is extremely more beneficial for the woman to get an abortion and in those situations it should be lawful.

@SW-User I don't have that choice i'd be arrested if i got caught in trying to attempt it just like anything else.

@Lostpoet yet, your body your choice. I'm sorry. We won't agree. It's not something the state can solve, even with safety nets, they can't account for how one is.

@Lostpoet Yes you can, just like them.. you said it there