I feel absolutely hopeless

How do we stop what will come for the next 2 years before we can attempt to at least get the senate and house?

They are talking about de-naturalizing citizens.

This is not a joke. It is not a game.

Someone talk me down for a moment. Tell me there are paths to stop these things.

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sarabee1995 · 26-30, F

This is made up fear mongering. There is no mechanism in the Constitution or in law that would enable the mass stripping of citizenship from already naturalized citizens.

Therefore even if someone WANTED to do this (which I doubt), there is no way for it to be done.

This is the type of rumor that is spread, usually by foreign players (Russia, China, DPRK, etc) through server farms running thousands of bots making posts to our social media that look real.

They target both left and right hot-button issues in order to make us not trust the other side.

So... When you see an absolutely absurd post targeting the left and you just know it's not true, understand that the right is the victim of the exact same fake news. You CANNOT fall for it. Have a little faith in your fellow Americans and work on your sniff test for fake news. ♥🫂♥

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sarabee1995 · 26-30, F

@Elessar Okay, back during my summer on USS Eisenhower in the northern Arabian Sea ... If I were ordered to develop a mission plan (I was a mission planner) for an action that would essentially be a war crime, then it would be my responsibility to look my chain of command in the eye and say no (and then have a damn good reason why). They would then need to either rescind the order or support the legality of it. This is not done lightly (obviously), but it is my responsibility to carry out all legal orders.

Now the moral question. If during my time in service I have a change of heart and suddenly am a pacifist. Yeah, doesn't matter. I've taken an oath and I need to execute the duties of my office and obey the legal orders of the chain of command and the NCA. Suddenly becoming a pacifist would land me in the brig quickly.

Elessar · 26-30, M

@sarabee1995 Ah good!

That's the second part that concerns me. Hypothetically if a dictator takes over, first thing they do is install loyal generals at the top of the army, second is change the law so that you're basically obligated to follow through with all their whims or be discharged, and things that were illegal before become legal or even mandatory.

The only thing that may stop a similar outcome is if the army divides, but that'd be basically civil war. Or if the army as a whole decide to resist, but that'd also be civil war 🤔

NerdyPotato · M

@sarabee1995 okay, not the entire constitution indeed. Just the parts that stand in the way of his other promises, which doesn't really change our point that he won't let the constitution stop him.

Suddenly becoming a pacifist would land me in the brig quickly.

Hopefully it still works that way if the higher ups become pacifist as well. It is a little reassuring and I thank you for that, but I won't be convinced until the army takes everyone working towards a police state out of their office.

NerdyPotato · M

I have no idea where to start, especially because the situation is entirely different than the first time.

Back then the manifesto was rolled out one small step at a time and most Germans didn't realize where it was going until it was too late. This time Americans were told upfront exactly what the end goal is and a majority actively supports it.

Taking back (part of) the government isn't enough. How do you change the mindset of an entire population? I have no clue, other than letting it play out and let the supporters feel the consequences...

Elessar · 26-30, M

@NerdyPotato

letting it play out and let the supporters feel the consequences...

Lol, good luck with that. Twenty years of Mussolini, two world wars lost, and that ideology is still dominant here.

Starcrossed · 41-45, F

Just think if how much that will cost administratively. When I do that I am able to feel a bit of hope because it's just honestly not realistic to me, no one will really want to pay for that. Especially when they find inflation and taxes somehow still kept going up.

Longpatrol · 31-35, M

If they start grabbing folk off the streets, maybe armed struggle.

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