Legalize drugs and end the war on drugs

@Jimmy2016 It's just not being done right. A war has death and complete loss of possesions by the rich happens in wars. A death penalty for drug smugglers and a total confiscation of all family assets that finance any drug addicts habit.

That would win the war on drugs. I guarantee it.

So you want to start killing people to get rid iof drugs so everyone could be healthier?
Btw, there are countries that kill drug smugglers. And they still can’t stop drugs. And there are drug addicts that lose every asset they have and yet keep doing drugs. It doesn’t work. @SteelHands

@Bandit2398 The pushers motive is money and a life of wealth.

A business model can't survive under a threat of death combined with confiscation of both profits and personal belongings of not only the ones engaged in it but the belongings of anyone feeding the addicts supplys.

You pretend as if I want to kill addicts. I don't. They are already killing themselves. If their supply dries up completely their chances of survival will be drastically reduced.

They chose that. Not me.

As I said. I guarantee that killing the drug smigglers and confiscating the funds that run that evil drug system would bring it to a screeching halt.

You claiming it doesn't work in other places is not so. Drug activity in those places is no longer a big problem for the public. It's become a big problem for the drug pushers tho.

You are only so smug because it isn't being done here. Yet.

That day is coming. Sooner than you think. The public is fed up with the hypoccracy of a system claiming it's against drug addiction but really only using it as an excuse to expand a private prison industry. On taxpayers expense.

Cripe sake look at the facts. We have a president who's kid is such an unredeemable cokehead that he and his son nearly sold out the country to the CCP and Russia.

Don't be dumb. Get off the drugs while you still have a chance to take the rehab route. It won't be around much longer. Not if the people have their way about it.

I do not do drugs. I quit drinking alcohol 5 months ago. I have become a health nut. You are making ad hominem attacks against me. I learned a lot about drug addiction because I have family members that I love who are addicts.
And I never said you wanted to kill addicts. You said you wanted to kill people who dealt drugs. Stop misrepresenting me. I could give a good and cogent response to every thing you said but I don’t see the point because you seem to have your mind made up and will not change it no matter what facts I give you. @SteelHands

@Bandit2398 That would make you the only loving family member who doesn't care about their highly probable organ disfunction, mind decline and early addicts death.

You false quoted me. I said death sentence for pushers, drug enablers. You said I said people. In fact you said no trial and just kill.

As you play your two faced game of words and pretend I'm a bigot, try to keep in mind I've had snowblind friends in my time. I've seen the needle and the damage done.

You're too brain damaged not to know how insane the legalization of narcotics would be. Now you claim you're a health fanatic and don't even drink. You not having concern about members of your family being addicts means you must either (a) be able to get them drugs so they don't steal from you or (b) have so much money that you can just throw it around at them for the same cause. or (c) you are the dope pusher and you benefit from their addiction.

So. Mr. 'I don't if narcotics kills my family', I haven't made a verbal attack on you. That's just a hallucination happening inside your own damaged mind.

Care isn't helping someone in your own family stay addicted. That is called evil.

Mkay?

@SteelHands all you do is make ad hominem attacks. I said I have loved ones who are addicts. The key word in that is love. I do not get them drugs. Haha! And I support their recovery. I cannot debate you because you ignore the facts. You don’t know anything about me so stop making these idiotic accusations.

@SteelHands if you had a good case to make you wouldn’t need to make as hominem attacks.

@SteelHands I changed my mind. You feel free to make all the ad hominem attacks you want. And tell all the lies you want about me. I won’t respond to them anymore.

@Bandit2398 You seem not to understand that your lack of common sense is too evident to be ad hominem.

Even your idea of what an ad hominem is seems fairly distorted.

Respond or not, play martyr me the victim all you like or don't. You are an enemy of non drug users everywhere and a danger to their unwitting children who would doubtless be victims of your crazy theories if they were ever put in place.

That's still not an attack, btw. It's good advice. You should consider it.

@SteelHands I got some news for you. They have voted to decriminalize drugs in Oregon. So we are on the road toward legalization just like we are for marijuana. And if all hell breaks loose in Oregon because of this people like you will say I told you so. If there are positive effects in r there ge state then you will ignore it just like you are ignoring Portugal.

@SteelHands here is the question I would like for you to answer. Now that Oregon has decriminalized drugs if we see a bunch of positive outcomes and no negative ones will you admit that you were wrong? Or will you come up with bullshit excuses about the population? Will you go back into your bubble where you don’t let in any evidence that disproves your beliefs? I bet you will do the latter but I hope you prove me wrong.

@Bandit2398 Far as I can see there's no truth coming out of Oregon. The portland mayor and as far as I can tell the rest of the city officials are in full on denial of a society of maintaining law and order.

Drug addiction in the northwest has already been a problem for many years and making it legal is just the easy way to claim there's a lower crime rate. Portland doesn't enforce criminal code. That's become obvious. I wouldn't set foot thereif I was paid to go.


Crime in Portland is already going through the roof. You will probably say that it's caused by something else.

Just in case you found the above facts hard to digest. That means no. The only thing worse than a drug pusher is someone who wants to legalize drug pushing.

@SteelHands so are you saying that if there are positive effects that come from decriminalizing drugs you will ignore it?

If there are negative effects will you use it as evidence? @SteelHands

@SteelHands I’m going to respond to you for anyone reading this. I agree that they are failing to keep law and order in Portland. And you might be right that crime has gone through the roof. But that has nothing to do with decriminalized drugs. Do you want to know how I know that? Because they decriminalized drugs very recently. Oregon has had the problems for a long time before that. Saying these problems is caused by drug decriminalization is being in denial of the facts.
And it is not easier now to claim their is less crime because they legalized drugs. Do you want to know why? Because they have not legalized drugs. They decriminalized them. It’s still illegal to have drugs. The only difference now is you can’t be arrested for it. Now when they are caught with drugs they will be given a ticket that they will have to pay in court. You really need to learn the facts before you say stuff like this. Everything you said can be easily debunked.
I bet you predicted that all hell would break loose in states that legalized weed.
Your ignorance and the ignorance of people like you is a detriment to our society.

I did not put words in your mouth. This is what you said.
“ Drug addiction in the northwest has already been a problem for many years and making it legal is just the easy way to claim there's a lower crime rate. Portland doesn't enforce criminal code. That's become obvious. I wouldn't set foot thereif I was paid to go.”
@SteelHands

@SteelHands legalize and decriminalized are not identical.

@SteelHands “ The USA has a nasty habit of only enforcing drug laws against the poor, the successful street gang street dealers that competes against the wealthy fux that purchase by the boxcar and skate charges even if they're caught. ” you are right about this part.

@Bandit2398 when laws that for decades, even centuries in a few cases, solved a problem become selectively applied, with those charged with keeping society safe being the first order betrayers.

You don't call for surrender of every law and abuse the betrayed, these families that want no part of a society hooked on drugs, the problem.

You are as much a threat to the safety of peaceful non addicted citizens as the betraying politicians. You claim that decriminalization, a newly minted weasel word that substitutes for legalization, is not effectively the same thing.

The differences are so minor as to make them irrelevant. You claim that if this is done that the gang mentality, violence and connected crime of holding turf, causing the massive medical headaches, and that will them become "health issues" rather than overdoses,
and "mental health issues" rather than drug induced schizophrenia, dependency, despotism, and desperation, the intentional pushing kids into a shorter life and robbed purpose, "sales promotions and turfs become distribution regions" ...


Word salad doesn't fool anyone. There's a definite correlation of non productivity and personality problems, even in habitual pot users.

What you are advocating is hell.

I’m only responding in case anyone believes the lies you are spreading. I’m ok with you thinking I’m an evil idiot and your negative comments are welcomed but I wish you would fact check yourself before posting lies. Here are a few things you got wrong. Our drug laws may be decades old but not centuries old. When the drink Coca Cola was created it originally contained the cocoa leaves that are used to make cocaine today. They took it out when the laws went into effect. Decriminalization is not a newly minted word for legalization. If I was to drive 10 miles over the speed limit under criminalization I would be arrested. Under decriminalization I would get a traffic ticket and a fine and maybe points on my license. Under legalization I wouldn’t get any punishment and could speed as much as I want. You are just wrong in this. And drugs do not induce schizophrenia. Dr Lester grinspoon said if that was true we would see a correlation between drug use and schizophrenia which we don’t. They used to say weed caused it back in the 80’s but this was just a lie.
Like I said before your opinions and negative comments are welcomed but please fact check yourself before making these lies. @SteelHands

@Bandit2398 It is factual information that opioids were regulated by most of the pre industrialized and comparitively modern countries for that long.

There are many legends about famous poets and the uber classes flaunting their ability to use throughout their entire life, but the average citizen didn't even know those things existed. Opium dens existed along most asiatic routes for half a thousand years and they were legal in the wealthiest countrys, Turkey for example, a long time.

Which goes a long way in explaining why Turkey went from being the richest Country on the planet to one of the third world countries rapidly.

When Turkey realized it's mistake they cracked down hard on all drugs. Even hashish. Interestingly they knew better than to take the addicts off the street but sentenced smugglers and sellers to life without parole.

Still do, matter of fact. In Saudi it's the chop. Don't tell me I don't have my facts in order, youngster.

Coca cola, before it came in bottles was a closely guarded trade secret energy restorative prescription you only obtained from a pharmacist.

Just as codiene cough syrup when I was a small boy, something that you could obtain from a professional pharmacist.

The laws were that only licensed pharmacists could peddle it and you had to sign a request for it in his book. They were given the authority to prescribe back then.

They are no longer permitted to prescribe drug concoctions that are scheduled.

Though it's been said widely that when mass production of coca cola, pepsi cola, etc began it still contained trace amounts though I was never able to verify that rumor.

Neither was I able to verify that camel smokes were loaded up with opium. Another unlikely rumor.

There are criminal statutes and there are civil ordinances. A criminal statute is a crime. A civil ordinance is a social demerit. It means nothing to someone that doesn't care if he is denied a city service or can't buy a fishing license because a fine didn't get paid.

Decriminality is legality. Polyester suited sharks call this legal speak. Do not tell me that decriming a criminal act isn't legalizing. You should be aware of the fact that even though traffic laws have state statutes on the books, there are no arrests made for moving violations. The state allows it's cities and counties to enforce and regulate but there is no prison time for any number of traffic "phopahs" even though, yes, these are actually criminal offenses. Of such low grade that the maximum penalty is revoking the driving privilege. As someone who knows that about half the drivers in large cities don't hold driver's licenses (another fact you aren't aware of) they don't care and apparently there isn't enough jails to house them all. (Thank the democrats for never bothering to consider what happens when you don't enforce a law.)

Oh but they won't decriminalize driving without a license. Because they can't impose nosebleed fines on those of us who usuall abide by the laws as much as we can, then get caught when we are in a hurry.

Claiming that someone who is an opioid addict is not mentally destabilized and represents a danger to himself and society sounds to me like it would only be from someone already damaged in some way.

After all. It is factually illegal right now to be buying, holding, or selling those things if you are not a physician. It isn't a difficult law to abide by. Nobody NEEDS street drugs. And those who claim they do should go about it the legal way if they actually do NEED them. But thats too much to ask of someone isn't it. Obey the law. Don't pollute your brain so bad that you can't think clearly. And make all kinds of stupid claims about it being "good for society" and "a neccesity for the addict."

That legalizing and decriminalizing is semantic horse manure, and people dying, society destroying dangerous drugs are no big thing. Because look how well Hunter Biden, the full blown crack head, and other ones making 6 figures (along with every other wealthy familys loser rotten crooked kids) do.

And you say that I'm spreading "disinformation" because the drugs you worship are your own god.

Yeah ryightttte. So dumb. I sure hope that there aren't too many like you. The decent families in this country are gonna want to send you and your addict buddies to the chamber once they see what a horror, if unleashed, it would become.