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I am a Trotskyist, ask me anything.

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meJess · F
Name a country where communism has been a success.
helenS · 36-40, F
@meJess Unobtainistan.
Gloomy · F
@meJess Communism has never existed but Socialism and then I'd say Chile, Burkina Faso, Vietnam, ...

Capitalism is not successful either but it all depends on the metric.
Razoreye001 · 31-35, M
@meJess Name a socialist state that wasn't attacked by international capitalism, or excluded from global trade?
Razoreye001 · 31-35, M
@Gloomy Precisely.
HoraceGreenley · 56-60, M
@Gloomy @Razoreye001
Capitalism is the only economic system in human history that elevated a majority of society's members out of poverty.
Gloomy · F
@HoraceGreenley and? Did it then manage to overcome poverty? How about relative poverty? How about the millions of wage slaves and child labor? If those things remain it was only a step and not the ending of economic development and labor organisation.

Your appeal to traditionalism is not a solid argument
HoraceGreenley · 56-60, M
@Gloomy
The point is capitalism has done the most good for the most people.

Google utilitarianism

All other economic systems leave a majority of its citizens in poverty. That is bad.

Capitalism produces the highest standard of living.

So go ahead and turn your back on capitalism. You can live in poverty.

Forget having the internet and that phone you are using. As well as an internet site to voice your opinion.

You're welcome...sincerely capitalism
HoraceGreenley · 56-60, M
@Gloomy Capitalism has done the best job of overcoming poverty.

Relative poverty? You're just jealous you aren't rich?

There are no wage slave in the US. No child labor in the US.
Gloomy · F
@HoraceGreenley Bullshit you wrongfully attribute human development to capitalism but it's just the economic framework under which things have been developed and produced.
It's a myth for example that the USSR didn't innovate.

Also you need to distinguish between economic systems and ruling systems. They may are connected but still seperate in a way.
Gloomy · F
@HoraceGreenley You do know what western companies do by outsourcing? Right? 🙄

Also republicans do their best to revive child labor and the minimum wage is a joke
HoraceGreenley · 56-60, M
@Gloomy I'm not being a traditionalist. I'm in favor of doing the most good for the most people.

That makes capitalism the most moral choice.

Your immortality condemns humanity to
Misery.
HoraceGreenley · 56-60, M
@Gloomy Global sourcing has occurred for thousands of years and predates capitalism. If people had better alternatives they would not work for pennies.