HoraceGreenley · 61-69, M
First, there is a difference between policy and execution.
The policy to withdraw may be considered OK. I can understand the arguments on both sides.
But the manner in which the withdrawal occurs is the execution of the policy.
The policy and the execution of the policy are two different things.
Whether you agree with the policy or not, it is plain that the execution of the withdrawal policy is an unmitigated disaster.
The policy to withdraw may be considered OK. I can understand the arguments on both sides.
But the manner in which the withdrawal occurs is the execution of the policy.
The policy and the execution of the policy are two different things.
Whether you agree with the policy or not, it is plain that the execution of the withdrawal policy is an unmitigated disaster.
@HoraceGreenley exactly. We needed to get out, but Biden messed it up.
I've been wondering, Biden extended the time past may 1st, the day originally set by Trump to leave. Mike Pence decently wrote that this is why the Taliban took over. It seems pretty accurate in my opinion. Biden's extended stay angered the Taliban
"Once Mr. Biden broke the deal, the Taliban launched a major offensive against the Afghan government and seized Kabul."
https://www.wsj.com/articles/mike-pence-biden-broke-our-deal-with-the-taliban-11629238764
I've been wondering, Biden extended the time past may 1st, the day originally set by Trump to leave. Mike Pence decently wrote that this is why the Taliban took over. It seems pretty accurate in my opinion. Biden's extended stay angered the Taliban
"Once Mr. Biden broke the deal, the Taliban launched a major offensive against the Afghan government and seized Kabul."
https://www.wsj.com/articles/mike-pence-biden-broke-our-deal-with-the-taliban-11629238764
HoraceGreenley · 61-69, M
@Stargazer89 Trump's deal with the Taliban was conditional and they did not meet the conditions.
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vetguy1991 · 51-55, M
vetguy1991 · 51-55, M
@HoraceGreenley well they both surrendered
HoraceGreenley · 61-69, M
@vetguy1991 It's a sad day
vetguy1991 · 51-55, M
@HoraceGreenley very much so
Heartlander · 80-89, M
Biden didn't end the war in Afghanistan. He unconditionally surrendered the US to the Taliban and armed them and their friends to the hilt. The war continues, and the weapons that Biden gave the Taliban will be used to slaughter those Afghans who don't go along with the Taliban.
AthrillatheHunt · 51-55, M
@Tracos we left 130 Apache choppers
AthrillatheHunt · 51-55, M
@Tracos how am I supposed to know if it’s true ?
But yeah, the Chinese already took them as a gift from the Taliban and it is way obscene
But yeah, the Chinese already took them as a gift from the Taliban and it is way obscene
PrivateHell · M
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PrivateHell · M
@smiler2012 he also had a plan the Pentagon drew up to withdraw civilians and support, equipment and weapons and then the troops in that order. Biden ignored the plan and began with the troops, leaving very few to protect the civilians or equipment.
Northwest · M
@PrivateHell
A plan that only Trump knows how to locate. In other words, it does not exist. Here's a reminder for you: the Commander of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, is the same guy who served under Trump.
But a pointer to a source that can explain what the Trump plan was, would be appreciated. By that, a pointer to something other than Trump claiming he had a plan.
he also had a plan the Pentagon drew up to withdraw civilians and support, equipment and weapons and then the troops in that order. Biden ignored the plan and began with the troops, leaving very few to protect the civilians or equipment.
A plan that only Trump knows how to locate. In other words, it does not exist. Here's a reminder for you: the Commander of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, is the same guy who served under Trump.
But a pointer to a source that can explain what the Trump plan was, would be appreciated. By that, a pointer to something other than Trump claiming he had a plan.
SW-User
Exactly.
World's tiniest violin for the disappointed military-industrial complex 😢
We were going to leave, the Taliban was going to take over, and America would have lost. There was no "winning" this war. That was going to happen whether Trump oversaw this or some other president. If after 20 years we couldn't build up a resistance strong enough to hold off the Taliban for more than a few days, more time there wasn't going to bring any solution.
World's tiniest violin for the disappointed military-industrial complex 😢
We were going to leave, the Taliban was going to take over, and America would have lost. There was no "winning" this war. That was going to happen whether Trump oversaw this or some other president. If after 20 years we couldn't build up a resistance strong enough to hold off the Taliban for more than a few days, more time there wasn't going to bring any solution.
PrivateHell · M
SW-User
@PrivateHell I'm not saying everything about this withdrawal was done right. I'm sure there are ways it could've been better. But I think the shock of the Taliban's quick return would've still been there; I think their takeover would created chaos and made it hard to evacuate people either way. They were simply biding their time. They've had the ability to do this for a long time. All they needed was an opportunity. They've likely been making deals with U.S.-backed leaders in various parts of the country for a while now.
If you look at Vietnam, we significantly withdrew troops a few years before Saigon finally fell. The South Vietnamese were able to hold on for a couple years because they were a functional army. The government was nothing, but the army was not like the Afghan army, which was essentially just an illusion.
Anyway, I'm not saying no one has anything to criticize. But I'm confident that a withdrawal would've been chaotic, messy, and would've resulted in a major loss either way.
If you look at Vietnam, we significantly withdrew troops a few years before Saigon finally fell. The South Vietnamese were able to hold on for a couple years because they were a functional army. The government was nothing, but the army was not like the Afghan army, which was essentially just an illusion.
Anyway, I'm not saying no one has anything to criticize. But I'm confident that a withdrawal would've been chaotic, messy, and would've resulted in a major loss either way.
HoraceGreenley · 61-69, M
HoraceGreenley · 61-69, M
We should most definitely criticize. The decision to withdraw may be a good one but the manner in which it was done is a disaster.
There is a difference between policy and execution.
There is a difference between policy and execution.
bijouxbroussard · F
@doong You folks would’ve criticized him for that, too.
AthrillatheHunt · 51-55, M
Dammed if you do
Dammed if you don’t
That’s the same thing people said about Orange moving the embassy to Jerusalem
Dammed if you don’t
That’s the same thing people said about Orange moving the embassy to Jerusalem
AthrillatheHunt · 51-55, M
@HoraceGreenley maybe I know what his point is
Maybe you know what his point is
Maybe WE BOtH don’t know what his point is
Maybe you know what his point is
Maybe WE BOtH don’t know what his point is
HoraceGreenley · 61-69, M
@AthrillatheHunt My point is that the execution is a disaster and no good comes from it
HoraceGreenley · 61-69, M
@AthrillatheHunt It also means that criticism is in order for the execution of the policy. This is not implied it is explicitly stated in the OP.