Biden Ends 20 Year Old War

@HoraceGreenley exactly. We needed to get out, but Biden messed it up.

I've been wondering, Biden extended the time past may 1st, the day originally set by Trump to leave. Mike Pence decently wrote that this is why the Taliban took over. It seems pretty accurate in my opinion. Biden's extended stay angered the Taliban

"Once Mr. Biden broke the deal, the Taliban launched a major offensive against the Afghan government and seized Kabul."

https://www.wsj.com/articles/mike-pence-biden-broke-our-deal-with-the-taliban-11629238764

@Stargazer89 Trump's deal with the Taliban was conditional and they did not meet the conditions.

@Budwick PS. The US government [i]didn't really give the Taliban billions of dollars worth of military equipment either. [/i]

@Oberon1 That is really good news!

@Budwick 🤔 For some strange reason, that Humvee looks like of ours. I wonder why???

@Tracos we left 130 Apache choppers

@AthrillatheHunt if that is true thats just obscene

@Tracos how am I supposed to know if it’s true ?
But yeah, the Chinese already took them as a gift from the Taliban and it is way obscene

@HoraceGreenley well they both surrendered

@vetguy1991 It's a sad day

@HoraceGreenley very much so

@doong You folks would’ve criticized him for [b]that[/b], too.

@smiler2012 he also had a plan the Pentagon drew up to withdraw civilians and support, equipment and weapons and then the troops in that order. Biden ignored the plan and began with the troops, leaving very few to protect the civilians or equipment.

@PrivateHell [quote]he also had a plan the Pentagon drew up to withdraw civilians and support, equipment and weapons and then the troops in that order. Biden ignored the plan and began with the troops, leaving very few to protect the civilians or equipment.
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A plan that only Trump knows how to locate. In other words, it does not exist. Here's a reminder for you: the Commander of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, is the same guy who served under Trump.

But a pointer to a source that can explain what the Trump plan was, would be appreciated. By that, a pointer to something other than Trump claiming he had a plan.

@SW-User it isn't even about the pulling out, or who did it. It's all about how it was done, and this was the stupidest way possible.

@PrivateHell I'm not saying everything about this withdrawal was done right. I'm sure there are ways it could've been better. But I think the shock of the Taliban's quick return would've still been there; I think their takeover would created chaos and made it hard to evacuate people either way. They were simply biding their time. They've had the ability to do this for a long time. All they needed was an opportunity. They've likely been making deals with U.S.-backed leaders in various parts of the country for a while now.

If you look at Vietnam, we significantly withdrew troops a few years before Saigon finally fell. The South Vietnamese were able to hold on for a couple years because they were a functional army. The government was nothing, but the army was not like the Afghan army, which was essentially just an illusion.

Anyway, I'm not saying no one has anything to criticize. But I'm confident that a withdrawal would've been chaotic, messy, and would've resulted in a major loss either way.

@HoraceGreenley maybe I know what his point is
Maybe you know what his point is
Maybe WE BOtH don’t know what his point is

@AthrillatheHunt My point is that the execution is a disaster and no good comes from it

@AthrillatheHunt It also means that criticism is in order for the execution of the policy. This is not implied it is explicitly stated in the OP.

@SW-User This is what Joe really needs