Seeing this many people kissing elon musk’s ass is truly staggering.

@BlueVeins just for posterity
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@BlueVeins Haha, touting the Tesla car as environmentally responsible is a joke; it's about money. Any dubiously benign consequences entirely blown away by the profligate, rich boy look-what-I-can-do idiocy of Space-X; and its use by other self-absorbed celebrities for so called tourism.

@Really It objectively is greener than a gasoline car; a combustion engine uses pure fossil fuels, whereas the power grid operates on a mix of fossil fuels & renewable sources. The EPA did a piece on this:

https://www.epa.gov/greenvehicles/electric-vehicle-myths


Sir they literally had a rocket ship land itself so it can be reused. That's an insanely good cost saving measure for future use, what are you talking about?

@BlueVeins I'm talking about obscene money grubbing, and chutzpah masquerading as concern for the environment.

@Really Are you just upset that businesses make money?

@BlueVeins Nice try. No cigar.

@Really A'ight, I mean is there something in particular you have an issue with regarding Tesla? I mean the Model 3 is pretty affordable...

@BlueVeins i think I get what he’s saying. You as well. A battery powered car is better than nothing, true. But it’s not exactly unscrewing us either lol. I honestly don’t think a free market product can really fix these issues anywhere near where people like elon imply it could. It’s not like lithium mining is environmentally friendly either.

@BlueVeins The Tesla car is not remotely affordable by me and most of the folks I know but that's irrelevant to the thread, which is about whether public adulation of Elon Musk and his behaviour is appropriate.

@BlueVeins the problem with Tesla is while it's great in the first world, it's next to useless in a lot of developing countries. We have rolling blackouts here often. There'd be no point to an electric car.

@basilfawlty89 Never mind. Reusable rocketry will fix everything. 🙄

@Really The industry-wide average price of a new car in 2018 was $36,270, while a Tesla Model S costed $36,200 at the time. Also, a Tesla's gonna cost way less in operating costs over the course of its lifespan than the vast majority of automobiles. The pandemic threw these prices out of whack, obviously, but even still, the model 3's prices roughly track industry average.


That sucks, but I don't see how a car company is to be expected to solve GHG emissions in all countries regardless of infrastructure, that seems a bit unreasonable, doesn't it? The developed world has by far the highest emissions per capita and the most usable infrastructure, so it seems sensible to start there.

edit: not to imply that the company's fully benevolent; obv the profit motive is important to all private enterprise

@BlueVeins Here in oz a Tesla model S is a luxury car with a pricetag around A$140k. The model X and 'claimed to still be coming' Cybertruck are both in the same league.

@zonavar68 Yeah, the Model S is more of a high-end line. Personally, I would never touch such an abomination even if I had the means.

@BlueVeins
The industry wide average price of a new car in the USA in 2018 has no relevance vis-a-vis the affordability of a Tesla to me or my friends. I don't know why you're going on about it. You sound like an advertising agent. Shareholder?
It certainly would be completely unreasonable; absurd in fact. Why do you suggest it? Straw man.
No. there are private enterprises of all sorts embracing all sorts of ethical principles; some are very deliberately non profit.

@Really
Ah, the old "everyone who disagrees with me is a paid shill" argument. I'm tellin' you it's literally average among cars, which is kinda impressive since it's an EV, which usually run higher prices. But fuck basic logic, I guess.


Tell that to BasilFawly then


Is your issue with Tesla the fact that it's not a nonprofit?

@BlueVeins Another nice try. Again no cigar.

@Really Compelling argument, wow I'm convinced