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The first winner of the prestigious FIFA Peace Prize, "No War President" Donald Trump, started a war with Venezuela by kidnapping its leader.

I wonder how the MAGA followers are going to spin this one. 🙄
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DancingFox · F
i really dont like trump.. but this is actually a good move
@DancingFox it is? 🤔
DancingFox · F
@NerdyPotato yeah maduro is obviously a terrible dictator that is opposed by the majority of the venezuelan people. and removing that guy might cut down on a possible civil war in venezuela. its a smart move that will lead to less harm.
@DancingFox maybe... But what happened to America First if it's really all about helping the neighboring citizens?
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Miram · 31-35, F
@DancingFox

Maduro is going to shift from authoritarian ruler to symbol of violated sovereignty

Internal dissent gets silenced under “state of emergency”. The state of emergency is already declared. Opposition figures are easily branded as collaborators

Strategically, if that’s the goal, it is self-defeating. It is not a one man rule. It is the entire government.
@DancingFox true, we'll see how it unfolds.
DancingFox · F
@Miram cutting off the snakes head is a good move, there is no designated number 2 to take over
Miram · 31-35, F
@DancingFox

Except that it is not a snake. It is an entire government. You know, human beings and their hierarchies.

And never in history has american military interference lead to stability and a better reality for the people.

It is easy to dream about the best when you're an outsider ,and it is not your country which is getting bombed. And not your loved ones in danger.

The people of Venezuela should decide what's best for themselves.
DancingFox · F
@Miram the people of venezuela want maduro gone... of course it you cant predict how things play out but giving people a chance then keeping em trapped forever under a terrible dictator is a good move. its a change that gives opportunity for a better future
SunshineGirl · 36-40, F
@DancingFox I think if I were going to choose one terrible authoritarian leader to "take out", there are at least 10 more obvious candidates than Maduro.
Miram · 31-35, F
@DancingFox

Most people there don’t support military intervention including many within the opposition.

In fact, most people in the world are sick of this nonsense.

It turns out people generally don’t want to die so others can feel morally validated from a safe distance, like héroes..

I tried to give this the benefit of the doubt, but the reality is: the ruling party has depth, legal continuity, and a fused relationship with the military. There are ready replacements and constitutional cover to keep power intact. Within a week, the VP will replace him.

The opposition has no meaningful chance under this structure.

Which makes the next move predictable, either more occupation or shifting from “liberation” rhetoric to arming proxies.

Strategically speaking , without morality involved, bombing venzuala and kidnapping him and his wife were both wrong decisions, if the goal is to create some sort of stability or balance.

But that is not the goal.
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basilfawlty89 · 36-40, M
@DancingFox
maduro is obviously a terrible dictator

So are Erdogan, Aliyev and Putin.
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basilfawlty89 · 36-40, M
@DancingFox Trump wouldn't. They're his buddies.

It's got nothing to do with humanitarianism, but to do with realpolitik and natural resources.