What do you think Mr. Spock would say about Trump's Big Lie?

@soar2newhighs Spock would, of course, see the same reality that everyone saw on January 6, including the Republicans. He wouldn't buy the revisionist bullshit that is being purveyed now, nor would his logic be convincing to the Cult of denial.

@windinhishair Then we’d need to ask him if what happened on 6 Jan was an insurrection.

@soar2newhighs He would raise an eyebrow at the idiocy of such a question for those that were there or saw it televised. Of course it was. You might as well ask if there is a sun in the sky on a clear, sunny day while you are looking at it.

@soar2newhighs Insurrection is defined as "a violent uprising against an authority or government". The January 6 insurrection clearly meets all parts of the definition. It was violent (more than 100 police officers were injured; insurrectionists were armed; people died; property was destroyed, etc.) and took place at the Capitol to prevent the peaceful transfer of power in the federal government to a duly elected President. Spock would undoubtedly point this out, as would any sentient being with the power to reason, on Earth, Vulcan, or elsewhere.

@windinhishair First: both the FBI and Merri Garland stated it was not an insurrection. As for the police who died: some committed suicide afterwards. As for the one who supposedly was killed (,which was not the case- he suffered a stroke and passed.)
Don’t overlook the history off who has attacked the U.S. Capitol and the results of those prior to 6 January .

@soar2newhighs Garland and the FBI did not claim there was no insurrection. Garland said no one had been charged with insurrection. That's a legal issue, not a factual one. People have been charged and convicted of seditious conspiracy. So using your logic, the insurrectionists were guilty of sedition against the US government on that day?

@windinhishair Can’t find a comment by Garland saying it was or was not an insurrection. The FBI on the other hand said it was not.

@soar2newhighs Link please. Over 500 guilty participants so far, most of whom pled guilty to various crimes during the insurrection.

@windinhishair From The Washington examiner Aug ‘21.[image deleted]

@windinhishair Most incarcerated were for actions nowhere insurrection. Please cite anyone from that day who was.

@soar2newhighs Please provide an FBI statement, not a right-wing propaganda website extrapolating statements that may or may not have been made.

@windinhishair Convictions for seditious conspiracy prove you are wrong, and disproves the Washington Times hyperpartisan speculation.

@soar2newhighs Here are four people convicted of seditious conspiracy for January 6 actions:

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/oath-keepers-members-convicted-seditious-conspiracy-rcna66622

I assume these facts didn't enter the right-wingnut news portal?

@windinhishair First , you and I are on opposite sides of this. We could go on until this all ends, whenever that may be.
As far as what you assume is up to you.

@soar2newhighs I didn't assume that people were convicted of seditious conspiracy for January 6 actions. It is a fact. I will go with facts. You can go with whatever it is that you use in place of them. Sometimes there are just actual facts and data.

@windinhishair Gine. They were not convicted of insurrection the definition of seditious conspiracy, you should take a look at. It’s not treason.

@soar2newhighs [quote]Former [b]Leader of Proud Boys Pleads Guilty to Seditious Conspiracy for Efforts to Stop Transfer of Power Following 2020 Presidential Election[/b]

[b]Defendant Also Pleaded to Firearms Charge Stemming from Search of Home This Year[/b]

A former leader of the Proud Boys pleaded guilty today to seditious conspiracy for his actions before and during the breach of the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021. His and others’ actions [b]sought to stop the transfer of power by disrupting a joint session of the U.S. Congress convened to ascertain and count the electoral votes related to the presidential election.[/b]

Jeremy Bertino, 43, pleaded guilty in the District of Columbia to seditious conspiracy in connection with the Capitol breach. He also pleaded guilty to a charge of unlawful possession of a firearm, stemming from a court-authorized search of his residence in March 2022. As part of the plea agreement, Bertino has agreed to cooperate with the government’s ongoing investigation.

According to court documents, the Proud Boys describe themselves as members of a “pro-Western fraternal organization for men who refuse to apologize for creating the modern world, aka Western Chauvinists.” Bertino joined the Proud Boys in approximately 2018 and was, for a time, the vice president of his local Proud Boys chapter in South Carolina.

As stated in the court documents, on multiple occasions in 2020, Bertino traveled to Washington, D.C., for rallies as a member of the Proud Boys. During one trip, on Dec. 12, 2020, several individuals, including Bertino and other Proud Boys members, were involved in an altercation. During that altercation, Bertino, among others, was stabbed. Bertino was hospitalized, released, and was still recovering outside of the Washington D.C. area from his injuries as of Jan. 6, 2021. Otherwise, he would have traveled to Washington.

In December 2020, Bertino accepted an invitation from Enrique Tarrio, then Proud Boys’ national chairman, to join a new chapter that Tarrio had devised called the “Ministry of Self Defense” (MOSD). In the weeks leading to Jan. 6, Bertino participated in encrypted chats and other communication with members of MOSD leadership. Bertino understood from his discussions with MOSD leadership that they agreed that the presidential election had been stolen, that [b]the purpose of traveling to Washington on Jan. 6, 2021, was to stop the certification of the Electoral College Vote, and that the MOSD leaders were willing to do whatever it would take, including using force against police and others, to achieve that objective.[/b]

Bertino continued to participate in planning sessions as he recovered from his injures. At least as early as Jan. 4, 2021, he received encrypted chat messages indicating that members of MOSD leadership were discussing the possibility of storming the Capitol. On Jan. 6, Bertino monitored activities through mainstream and social media, as well as posting in the MOSD chats. He posted messages himself to MOSD leaders and members to encourage and assist in the operation, such as advising those on the grounds of the Capitol to “form a spear.” Similarly, Bertino posted to his public social media account, “DO NOT GO HOME. WE ARE ON THE CUSP OF SAVING THE CONSTITUTION.” On the evening of Jan. 6, 2021, Bertino messaged Tarrio and celebrated the achievement, saying, among other things, “You know we made this happen,” and “1776 motherf****r.”

The firearms charge stems from an FBI search of Bertino’s residence on March 8, 2022. While executing a search warrant, agents located six firearms, including an AR-15 style firearm with a scope, and more than 3,000 rounds of ammunition. Bertino was barred from possessing firearms and/or ammunition due to a previous conviction.

Bertino was charged in a criminal information that was filed today. Five other members of the Proud Boys, including Tarrio, were indicted on June 6, 2022, on seditious conspiracy and other charges. They have pleaded not guilty and are awaiting trial. A sixth member of the group, Charles Donohoe, 34, of Kernersville, North Carolina, pleaded guilty on April 8, 2022, to conspiracy to obstruct an official proceeding and assaulting, resisting, or impeding officers.

Bertino faces a statutory maximum of 20 years in prison for seditious conspiracy and up to 10 years in prison for the firearms charge. The charges also carry potential financial penalties. No sentencing date was set. A federal district court judge will determine any sentence after considering the U.S. Sentencing Guidelines and other statutory factors.

This case is being prosecuted by the U.S. Attorney’s Office for the District of Columbia, the Department of Justice National Security Division’s Counterterrorism Section and the Department of Justice Criminal Division’s Organized Crime and Gang Section. Valuable assistance was provided by the U.S. Attorney’s Office for the Western District of North Carolina.

The case is being investigated by the FBI’s Washington, Charlotte, and Columbia, South Carolina Field Offices.

In the 20 months since Jan. 6, 2021, more than 870 individuals have been arrested in nearly all 50 states for crimes related to the breach of the U.S. Capitol, including over 265 individuals charged with assaulting or impeding law enforcement. The investigation remains ongoing.

Anyone with tips can call 1-800-CALL-FBI (800-225-5324) or visit tips.fbi.gov.[/quote]

Seditious conspiracy in this particular case meets all of the criteria for an insurrection.

@windinhishair Stop your whining. This will come to an end, sometime.
You ought to become a federal lawyer with all your vast expertise. When you cite anyone charged with insurrection post it.

@soar2newhighs You just dislike facts. Especially ones that prove you are spectacularly wrong. People are going to jail for 20 years for trying to violently prevent the peaceful transfer of power. If you want to call it a tourist event, you go right ahead.

@windinhishair who went for 20 years? It was not an insurrection. Sorry you can’t grasp that.

@soar2newhighs Jeremy Bertino has pled guilty to seditious conspiracy which carries a maximum sentence of 20 years, plus 10 additional years on a firearms charge. There will be a trial for five other defendants for the same crime.

I'm sorry that you cannot accept the fact that domestic terrorist wingnuts such as yourself tried to prevent the peaceful transfer of power, and did so violently. You can call that whatever you wish, though it clearly meets the definition of insurrection. Call it a "tourist event" even though it couldn't be further from the truth.

@windinhishair [image deleted] if he got twenty it might be on a weapons issue, not insurrection.

@soar2newhighs You support domestic terrorists like the January 6 insurrectionists, most of whom have pled guilty to their crimes. That's sad, but true.

@windinhishair You are a person who in their zeal assumes things about others and really has no reason to do so , other than a rabid obsession with your own narrative.