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Thinkerbell · 41-45, F
From your link:
So write a 57-page opinion piece, Misty, outlining your "don't-feel-right" feelings.
I'm sure Salon (or somesuch) would be glad to publish it, and even pay you a small stipend.
“For, as Trump points out in his brief, the President is a government employee in the most basic sense of the term: He renders service to his employer, the United States government, in exchange for a salary and other job-related benefits,” U.S. Circuit Judge Guido Calabresi wrote in the 57-page majority opinion.
So write a 57-page opinion piece, Misty, outlining your "don't-feel-right" feelings.
I'm sure Salon (or somesuch) would be glad to publish it, and even pay you a small stipend.
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LeopoldBloom · M
@Thinkerbell I agree that the tort system needs an overhaul, but I'd be careful with an across the board "loser pays" policy without researching it first and seeing how it works in other countries that have it.
Many lawyers won't take cases on consignment anyway unless they're already certain of victory and the potential payout is big enough.
Many lawyers won't take cases on consignment anyway unless they're already certain of victory and the potential payout is big enough.
@LeopoldBloom Guys, lawyers don't take cases on consignment but on a contingency fee arrangement, and state bar associations, courts and legislatures have monkeyed with them a little bit, but I haven't heard of anyone seriously talking about getting rid of them now completely for years.
Getting rid of the American Rule and making losers pay the others costs and attorneys fees is actually more feasible, at least in some instances, like defamation, which is what SLAPP laws are about.
Getting rid of the American Rule and making losers pay the others costs and attorneys fees is actually more feasible, at least in some instances, like defamation, which is what SLAPP laws are about.
LeopoldBloom · M
@MistyCee I meant contingency. I think autocorrect changed that. However, lawyers generally don't like contingency unless they have a good chance of winning a large amount, so it favors class actions or where the plaintiff was clearly wronged. For anything else, you're out of luck unless you can pay out of pocket.
Viper · M
No, I can't...
Only thing I can say is, I didn't believe the court would rule the government would have to stand in for him...
That wasn't a government issue...
And I don't believe government employees get covered for talking about non-governmental issues...
Like how are people able to personally sue law enforcement and government decision makers, when dealing with government issues, but they can't sue Trump for covering a non-government issue? Makes no sense.
Only thing I can say is, I didn't believe the court would rule the government would have to stand in for him...
That wasn't a government issue...
And I don't believe government employees get covered for talking about non-governmental issues...
Like how are people able to personally sue law enforcement and government decision makers, when dealing with government issues, but they can't sue Trump for covering a non-government issue? Makes no sense.
@Viper Trumpism really does seem to be de novo and we've likely crossed the Rubicon in terms of expecting judicial appointees to apply some kind of different uniform non-political philosophy to their decisions after appointment is my take.
Roberts' balls and strikes thing, even though I got it, always seemed a little desperate and I'm, quite frankly not sure what the whole judicial appointment thing will be like given the fact folks like Cannon sailed through and the turn we took with Hobbes and Bruen.
The whole process has been a mess since at least Bork, but we've now got a bunch of gals and guys on the court buying into the idea that they can and should play an active role in social and political policy, only without the caution and respect for the process that we had with the Warren, Burger and Renquist Courts.
Roberts' balls and strikes thing, even though I got it, always seemed a little desperate and I'm, quite frankly not sure what the whole judicial appointment thing will be like given the fact folks like Cannon sailed through and the turn we took with Hobbes and Bruen.
The whole process has been a mess since at least Bork, but we've now got a bunch of gals and guys on the court buying into the idea that they can and should play an active role in social and political policy, only without the caution and respect for the process that we had with the Warren, Burger and Renquist Courts.
PicturesOfABetterTomorrow · 41-45, M
Here is another reason this makes no sense to me. I don't see how him being a former president matters.
Good luck demanding benefits from an employer who fired you 2 years ago in any other context.
Good luck demanding benefits from an employer who fired you 2 years ago in any other context.
LeopoldBloom · M
I would have thought the government would only defend a former president in lawsuits stemming from his government service. I was under the impression that the RNC was covering Trump's other legal bills. Although they're not covering his defense in the stolen document case. Trump's supporters are footing the bill on that.
LeopoldBloom · M
If the alleged crime happened before Trump took office, I don't see why the government should defend him. Unless the suit isn't about the original crime, but Trump's mischaracterization of the alleged victim. So in that case, your tax dollars aren't defending a rapist; they're defending someone accused of slander.
HoraceGreenley · 56-60, M
Get over it
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sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M
Does the name Tara Reade ring a bell?
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@sunsporter1649 Whoops, I was thinking of Tara Reid I guess.
AthrillatheHunt · 51-55, M
So the US raped her ?
LordShadowfire · 46-50, M
@AthrillatheHunt Nah, Donald Trump raped her, but we're providing his defense.
@AthrillatheHunt Nah, but the US endorsed raping her, basically.
LordShadowfire · 46-50, M
Jesus tap dancing Christ on a cracker. Anybody sympathizing with Trump after this is beyond help.
@LordShadowfire Sadly, I've got friends and relatives who do.
LordShadowfire · 46-50, M
@MistyCee I'm still friends with somebody who supports him. I haven't dared ask what his opinion is on the treason or insurrection charges. And I'm pretty sure most of my biological family supports him, but I wouldn't know.
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LeopoldBloom · M
@MarmeeMarch He did and it was tossed out.
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LeopoldBloom · M
@MarmeeMarch Judge Middlebrooks' ruling points out that Trump's lawsuit was basically incoherent and offered no evidence. He was on strong legal ground if you bother to read it instead of assuming that everyone's out to get your orange savior. Same with the judges who overruled Judge Loose Cannon's stay of the DOJ investigation, two of whom were appointed by Cheeto Benito himself. Believe it or not, most judges aren't mindless shills or on the take. Some of them actually base their rulings on the law and the evidence before them.