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I don't believe nor support taxes but I do still pay them, however if I could get away with not doing it, I would. Before anyone freaks out, I do understand there must have been a reason. But at the same time I see things like unpaved roads, poorer schools not getting materials, more pot holes etc. it's obvious that a lot of our stuff is pick and choose where it should go.

I just feel like there's got to be a better way.

I also feel like I work hard for my money and I want all of it, there's no social security for me anymore and it's the end of 40 year job security so it's all pointless for me anyways.

The one thing I've never hated anyone on is not paying taxes. I do believe it's classified as white collar crime or something but honestly I don't care that much
Eternity · 26-30, M
Ditto. I honestly believe that it is every working class person's patriotic duty to avoid as much taxation as possible.

Barter, do side jobs for cash, whatever. Whatever way you can figure to keep the fruit of your labor in your own pocket, do it.


If worst comes to worst, i can think of not many more honorable reasons to be imprisoned as a working class person than tax evasion.

We have got to stop rewarding this system for bad behavior. If I don't work I don't get paid. It should be the same for the system.
Eternity · 26-30, M
@LordShadowfire a combination of a barter system whereby people are compensated for their labor by being able to enjoy the product of others labor, and providing services in exchange for money to people who seek to continue living inside the market because the communal thing doesnt appeal to them.

Most likely services centered around education and training. Perhaps even capital investment.

Thats the theory i have running currently anyhow. As I said, I'm working on it. Still researching past attempts at similar concepts and putting together the best way to make another.
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Eternity · 26-30, M
@LordShadowfire it is, but it's the government's favorite thing. The relationship between money and centralized authority runs deep.

Once everything is itemized into units of value things become so much easier to control

So it will be around for a while. But luckily we are in the transition between two monetary systems and this should make it easy to set something up in the margins.

The good thing about all this flux is it is the perfect time to create pilot systems for new ways of doing things.
paulio · M
yes its annoying, but how to pay for the military to protect you, or the police, fire brigade, i could go on, seriously pay your taxes and dont have all your stuff taken away by the bailiffs, the onyl way to aboid taxes is to go off grid, dont work, be a tramp/bum, liv eon the streets, hav eno home, no job, nothing, be free
@Snuffy1957 I could never tell if that lyric meant she was in favor of it or against it.
SatanBurger · 36-40, F
@paulio I think there's other ways but I haven't looked into it, I'm sure I can find something though. I'm not arguing that I wouldn't pay taxes or that roads and other things shouldn't be paved or anything like that just to be clear.
Neoerectus · M
@SatanBurger Oddly enough, anthropologically speaking, hunter-gatherers spent much less percent of their time procuring shelter and food than modern humans. Of course, there are caveats. Fewer material possessions. Now harder to find "open, prodyctive, and unclaimed" land with temperate climate with 8+ billion humes on the planet, etc. etc.
dubkebab · 51-55, M
There has got to be a better way. Starting by holding the ultra rich accountable and due to pay even a portion of their fair share seems like a healthy way to progress if you ask me.
Diotrephes · 70-79, M
@dubkebab [quote]There has got to be a better way. Starting by holding the ultra rich accountable and due to pay even a portion of their fair share seems like a healthy way to progress if you ask me.[/quote]

I doubt if you pay enough in federal taxes to keep the orange traitor in toilet paper.
dubkebab · 51-55, M
@Diotrephes I'm laughably poor and work various side gigs for cash,so I suppose I pay a paltry enough amount to make any given plutocrat proud,in theory.
But please don't encourage me to imagine any scenarios involving our former fearless leaders ablutions.
He might have a royal groomsman employ chinchilla fur for all I know.
ViciDraco · 36-40, M
I am the opposite here. I think taxation is a net positive in society as it exists. The only real situation where I would view taxation as not necessary would be in the achievement of a cashless society or resource based economy. Which I am ultimately in favor of pursuing.

I believe this because I think shared public infrastructure and essential services are better operated by singular enterprises that do not have a profit motive. I would like to see ways to give motivation for efficiency, but definitely not profit. Profit motives have been dragging society backwards lately. We've really slowed down solving problems and started focusing on continual revenues by treating symptoms and engineering short term solutions that require constant repurchase.

When it comes to 'keeping all of the money that I work hard for', I square that by considering my taxes as money that isn't mine to begin with.

My position is probably more controversial in that I believe we should have 90% or higher tax rates on incomes over one million per year. Additionally, I think we should have a wealth tax for assets valued over five hundred million. With exemptions for actively managed agricultural land. The idea is to tax people with massive stock and corporate holdings, but not ding farmers and ranchers. It gets set pretty high so that it also doesn't hit retirement accounts.

The incomes from these additional taxes would ideally be put towards UBI programs.
GeistInTheMachine · 31-35, M
I largely agree.
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So, I'm not going to say the taxation system is perfect, because that's bullshit. But at least hypothetically, that's exactly what taxes are supposed to go toward. It's literally supposed to be everybody pooling their money to pay for maintenance stuff.
@Repete @SatanBurger Which is why we need tax reform laws. But you start telling the folks in charge that's what you want, and they pretend they didn't hear.
Repete · 61-69, M
@LordShadowfire my mom use to call that , selective hearing, . I use to get a touch of that at times. Didn’t last to long, mom didn’t like repeating herself on things I should already know. 😂
@Repete Oh, yeah. If your ears don't work, moms have a solution for that, and it's the same as when my TV didn't work, lol.

 
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