controversial but genuine question

can you name even one truly unselfish reason for having a child? to wit:

- by the very nature of the beast, there is no childish input in the decision
- even at the highest levels of living, there will be major hard scrabble and worrisome moments as the child grows and dies
- many have children as accessories, caregivers, easers of loneliness, entertainment, or cleaners of the home
- the only even-close reason I can think of as roundabout unselfishness is to build a religious army of sorts, but that is mightyyy presumptuous
- how dare parents then say, "I BROUGHT YOU INTO THIS WORLD AND I CAN TAKE YOU OUT" or, "do you know how long i labored to have you"....

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Deceased · M

The act of having a child is inherently a selfish and narcissistic act.

foldedunfolding · 41-45, F

@Deceased i have to admit that if i had a child..it would be for selfish reasons! no matter if they enjoyed their life with me..i would be having them towards the cessation of my OWN pain

Deceased · M

@foldedunfolding thats part of why I've not had them. I don't want to be that parent that had a kid to make myself feel better.

foldedunfolding · 41-45, F

@Deceased yeah like..i was upset and beside myself having to have a full hysterectomy to rid me of endometrial cancer..i always kinda wanted an accidental baby..but im also glad i didnt participate in what i kiiinda consider to be a galling practice

Deceased · M

@foldedunfolding I am so sorry to hear you went through all that. But I love how self aware you are aand the way you consider the potential implications and ramifications of your actions.

foldedunfolding · 41-45, F

@Deceased dude that means so much..thank you for seeing that in me

foldedunfolding · 41-45, F

btw..the galling practice of which i speak is the sprouting forth of spawn..not the act that leads to that ha

Deceased · M

@foldedunfolding its a quality I admire and look for in people.
And I would certainly hope not 🙂

foldedunfolding · 41-45, F

@Deceased also if i were calling something a galling practice, it most [b]certainly[b] would not be that which i have most perfected

Deceased · M

@foldedunfolding oh my! Love that confidence. 💜🌹