controversial but genuine question

can you name even one truly unselfish reason for having a child? to wit:

- by the very nature of the beast, there is no childish input in the decision
- even at the highest levels of living, there will be major hard scrabble and worrisome moments as the child grows and dies
- many have children as accessories, caregivers, easers of loneliness, entertainment, or cleaners of the home
- the only even-close reason I can think of as roundabout unselfishness is to build a religious army of sorts, but that is mightyyy presumptuous
- how dare parents then say, "I BROUGHT YOU INTO THIS WORLD AND I CAN TAKE YOU OUT" or, "do you know how long i labored to have you"....

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calicuz · 56-60, M

The unselfishness is sacrificing to give them a better life than you had.

foldedunfolding · 41-45, F

@calicuz lol you are sacrificing for someone who didnt ask to be sacrificed for though. even the best life is positively riddled with terrors! if you SUCCEED at giving them a better life, and that is a big if, you have likely done so to rub that fact in the face of the ones who "gave you a bad life", or boast about that fact to those around you

calicuz · 56-60, M

@foldedunfolding

No, that's not the way it works, at least not for me.

foldedunfolding · 41-45, F

@calicuz not for YOU. but im asking about for your CHILD.

foldedunfolding · 41-45, F

@calicuz capitalization meant as emphasis, not rudeness

calicuz · 56-60, M

@foldedunfolding

I understand no rudeness was meant, but giving my son a better life and teaching him better ways, is for him, not for me, or to "rub in anyone's face."

foldedunfolding · 41-45, F

@calicuz i definitely agree..there is selflessness in that, now that he is here. but i beseech amnesty when i ask: when you planned him, if you did, did you do it for his sake or your own? if you had to dig deep to answer.

calicuz · 56-60, M

@foldedunfolding

Wow, not ready to answer that one yet.