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I don't necessarily believe in the 3 strikes law.

I've seen many people screwed over by smallish stuff with that but I do agree that we need something for repeat offenders over and over again who prove to be a menace regardless of any therapy or help they had even if they didn't murder anyone. There's people out there who have criminal records as long as 12 years of age and into adulthood where they somehow always get off on bail and nothing ever happens to them. I don't understand it. I don't understand how one can commit felonies over and over again and still be allowed outside particularly when the court KNOWS they'll run lol. It's like this over and over with people but yet it still happens.

So yeah while I agree that we should end things like war on drugs and war on anything, they should have special things in place for when people generally just become pests.
MethDozer · M Best Comment
I hear ya. There's these glaring discrepancies where you see one individual locked up for a string of pretty petty things then another who's got a wrap sheet of unquestiinably horrible offenses who's gotten the revolving door treatment.
SatanBurger · 36-40, FVIP
@MethDozer Yes this is exactly what I'm talking about.

Graylight · 51-55, F
There are the recalcitrant among prison populations, true. But they represent the minority, and who decides that a human being gets only 3 chances to change their life? We provide few safety nets, we fail to provide standard education, we restrict any chances of success after any kind of criminal record, we care little for programs that assist families and individuals who've taken a harder road. We have more prisoners per capita than any other country in the world. By a fair amount. The societal remedy in the US is to punish, not reform. That creates an enormous population of people who can't make the steep climb to meet the rest of us where we are.

Three Strikes is a way of saying a human being has "this much worth," and is an utter loss after that. Except that's not how life works. If everyone started their workout program when they said they would, if the put down cigarettes the moment they thought of quitting, if all our work and life affairs ran like polished clockwork, than we could point out the deficiencies of those who've had it even harder sometimes.

No one "KNOWS" what anyone will do. There are predictors, but when the rules and equipment changes, so do the outcomes. Sometimes, then something's not working out, the answer isn't always just to "do it harder."
Sometimes the answer is to broaden our scope and introduce new methods and ideas.
SatanBurger · 36-40, FVIP
@Graylight This person actually doesn't want to work, he's even said so, so no job program will help this kind of person. All this person would do if you help him is manipulate you, then do it again. There's pests that just can't be helped. Also I said clearly in my post that I'm against the 3 strike law.
Graylight · 51-55, F
@Diotrephes I didn't know the UN is stepping in. Sad that it's necessary, but needed nonetheless, as we've proven inadequate at protecting our own.

@SatanBurger There is absolutely the population that won't or can't learn. They're easy to sentence on an individual basis. Mandatory provisions mean a mother who floats a check to buy groceries goes to prison for life because she got mixed up with an ass and made made decisions 12 years prior.

When you throw away a life, no matter how broken, you leave zero chance for redemption and transformation. How many times have you been adamant about something only to be a totally different person 5 years on?

If imprisoning there population worked, we'd lead the world in Best Citizens. It doesn't. (I understand your views; just laying out the points.)
Diotrephes · 70-79, M
@Graylight America has always been one of the leading violators of human and civil rights. What makes it worse is the hypocrisy. It will be interesting to see what kind of spin the various talking heads put on it.

BTW, did you see how the Louisiana taliban treated a woman because she wasn't wearing a "burqa"?

https://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/ny-louisiana-casey-lacaze-lachney-crop-top-cutoffs-ticket-apology-20220714-ez6mztrbcnhqdnjiph2pf3qzmu-story.html

When cops get away with oppressing anyone they will end up oppressing everyone.
3 strike laws are just so that for profit prisons can maximize occupancy and provide a massive army of slave labour for the Fortune 500.
Carla · 61-69, F
I agree, some non violent offenders are incorrigible, and should be kept in containment until they can function within society's rules.
But then many of these people are in a system designed to keep them coming back. There is no profit in rehabilitation.
SatanBurger · 36-40, FVIP
@Carla You can't rehab this person I'm talking about which is why I get frustrated when pests are let out over and over again.
TexChik · F
I like the third strike rule . 3 felonies should equal a life sentence to protect society. Anyone bad enough to get three deserves what they get .
SatanBurger · 36-40, FVIP
@TexChik In theory, not in practice though:

Some criticisms of three-strikes laws are that they clog the court system with defendants taking cases to trial in an attempt to avoid life sentences, and clog jails with defendants who must be detained while waiting for these trials because the likelihood of a life sentence makes them a flight risk. Life imprisonment is also an expensive correctional option, and potentially inefficient given that many prisoners serving these sentences are elderly and therefore both costly to provide health care services to and statistically at low risk of recidivism. Dependents of prisoners serving long sentences may also become burdensome on welfare services.

Prosecutors have also sometimes evaded the three-strikes laws by processing arrests as parole violations rather than new offenses, or by bringing misdemeanor charges when a felony charge would have been legally justified. Likewise, there is potential for witnesses to refuse to testify, and juries to refuse to convict, if they want to keep a defendant from receiving a life sentence; this can introduce disparities in punishments, defeating the goal of treating third-time offenders uniformly. Three-strikes laws have also been criticized for imposing disproportionate penalties and focusing too much on street crime rather than white-collar crime.[19]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-strikes_law#Criticism
Diotrephes · 70-79, M
@TexChik
I like the third strike rule . 3 felonies should equal a life sentence to protect society. Anyone bad enough to get three deserves what they get .

Can you imagine how many politicians, Slave Patrollers, and rich people would be prison under your perfect system? Just about all of them.

And since everything is illegal in America you would also be in prison for all of the crimes you have committed but escaped detection.
TexChik · F
@Diotrephes How many politicians get convicted of anything? Or slavers. The libs just voted not to increase the penalties for traffickers. I dont break the law Mr Liberal.
spjennifer · 61-69, T
I say let the punishment fit the crime, if the criminal is at his or her 3rd strike for violent crime, then yes, into crowbar hotel you go. For example, in the past, if someone was caught on their 3rd offense of possession of pot, they went to jail, ridiculous in light of many States now legalizing it. It should be left to the discretion of the Judge and not automatic but the Judge should have that possibility if they think it's necessary.
Jackaloftheazuresand · 26-30, M
Indiscriminate death for all crime. No recidivism, no prison system, no quarrel with different sentences, more manageable population levels.
SatanBurger · 36-40, FVIP
@Jackaloftheazuresand I'm for rehabilitation and not in a traditional sense, I do believe that something can work better but for people where they get out and then they go in at every turn it's like come on. Then they get out and then go destroy whatever and then get put back in, then out, then in until finally prison. That's becoming "pest" category.
Entwistle · 56-60, M
Re this 3 strikes thing,i once reqd of a man who got life for his 3rd strike which was stealing a slice of pizza. Madness..how much does it cost to keep him in prison for that?
CorvusBlackthorne · 100+, M
I am inclined to agree. Rehabilitation programs would be a far better idea.
SatanBurger · 36-40, FVIP
@CorvusBlackthorne The only thing about rehab is that it can be used for exploitation by corporations if it got federalized somehow. That's I'm for it but for checks and balances, for instance lobbying should be illegal with prisons.
MethDozer · M
@CorvusBlackthorne qe need both. Not all criminals are rehabable nor are all crimes deserving of such. Thing is though it's not really that hard to decipher which is which except by the bureaucrat "proffesionals".

 
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