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Is this the American Experience?

I live in Australia and I recently moved state.
Australia has six states and one territory, with slightly different laws applying to the road rules and so on.

I was a pistol shooter in my old state, the process of obtaining my handgun license took almost two years, you have to be accepted by the club, be a member for at least six months and pass a gun safety course, practical course and written test.

Then you can buy certain calibre guns, after waiting up to 28 days and only through a dealer.

You have to keep it at home in a safe with 3 mm thick walls, with an alarm you have to be able to respond to 24 hours a day or monitored with a camera to a hard drive in another location.

Then you can only take the gun back to the range to take part in an official competition.

Of which you have to compete in a minimum number a year or the police come looking for you!

You can’t take it into the woods to shoot at stuff.

Anyway l am in a new state and enquiring about getting a handgun license, (they aren’t transferable).

Even more difficult AND you have to be fingerprinted as well.

I personally draw the line at this….

Do any American states have such strict requirements?

Which state is the strictest?
ArtieKat · M
AND you have to be fingerprinted as well.

I personally draw the line at this….

Are you for real? Why would any sane person seeking to own a lethal weapon not want to prove his or her identity?
ArtieKat · M
@Vetrov I have no idea what you're talking about. If you want a fight, I suggest you beat yourself up.
OliRos · 22-25, F
@ArtieKat 😂😂😂
Vetrov · 61-69, M
@ArtieKat Do you advise other strangers?
Nitedoc · 51-55, M
Usually the Southern states have the least restrictive gun laws and, in general, the lowest crime rates. In Texas there is no license required to own a gun or to carry it, open or concealed. You can buy all the ammo you want and you can shoot in most any safe place outside of any city limits. Most of the other states In the South have similar laws.
Vetrov · 61-69, M
@Nitedoc There are some SW members here from Texas and the often discuss 2nd Ammendment.
zonavar68 · 56-60, M
Our Australian gun laws also make it a VERY safe country in terms of gun-related violence and crime! We do NOT want to take the approach that exists in the USA.
@zonavar68 Then explain the serious rise in knife crimes.
Nitedoc · 51-55, M
@zonavar68 It's very safe where I live too. I wonder why that is?
Ontheroad · M
Nope, no such regulations/laws exist in the U.S.

California has the most stringent laws, but not near as stringent as Australia's.

We certainly need something close to what you have, but I don't see it ever coming to pass.
ArishMell · 70-79, M
Interesting - I did not realise Australia like America has no cohesive, national gun laws either; though I knew they vary between the American States.

.....

A friend told me of an odd experience when visiting the USA (from England) with another friend, to attend an outdoor-pursuits symposium. This was probably in an area that sees few foreign tourists, most of whom are likely to go to the "honey pots" like Florida, New York and the Grand Canyon.

They befriended a local attendee who invited them back to his family's farm, where they were proudly shown the household arsenal. "Twenty a lot? Oh no!" their host said, "Some have far more guns than this!"

Next day, he recounted, he visited the local shop to buy replacements for the ammunition they'd been invited to expend on the farm's private range; and while he was at it, a couple of cans of beer.

The cashier had to refuse the beer because he could not prove his age. He'd left his passport at his hosts' and the shop assistant could not understand how the British driving-licence he did have with him, shows the holder's date of birth. (It is discreetly disguised in what looks just like a pure serial number, but the car-hire office staff would be familiar with foreign licences. of course.)

The ammunition? No problem, and him not only a stranger in town, but a foreign one where they probably see few foreigners!
Nitedoc · 51-55, M
@zonavar68 I know. It's a wonderful country. That's one reason so many people from around the world are trying to get in here.
ArishMell · 70-79, M
@Nitedoc Poor old God.
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Ozuye502 · 36-40, M
California new York new jersey are all fighting to have the strictest firearm regulations. However Australia doesn't have the levels of criminal activity because gangs aren't as prevalent there and most gun crimes are related to gang activity in the us.
Slade · 56-60, M
Trump would have wanted to abolish all gun controls to support his mates in the KKK, the NRA, and in the religious movement(s).

You really are softer than elephant diarrhea
Ozuye502 · 36-40, M
@NativePortlander1970 i do stand corrected.
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Slade · 56-60, M
@zonavar68 don't you have to come up with something thoughtful to be that?
The laws in the US are not that stringent. Although, at one time, handguns were banned in Chicago and Washington DC. Handguns owned prior to the ban were grandfathered in, but strict storage requirements rendered them useless in the event of a home invasion. The Supreme Court eventually overturned the bans in both cities.
Nitedoc · 51-55, M
@BizSuitStacy That's true. The bans were overturned due to the rapid spike in crimes caused by the handgun ban. The most crime ridden cities in the US have the strictest gun laws in the country. In some places these bans are being lifted from time to time. Most criminals tend to leave armed citizens alone!
@Nitedoc we should always remember Scalia's majority opinion in Heller v DC. He explains the true meaning of the 2A, and the extent of its limitations. It is kryptonite to every gun grabber out there trying to ban semi-automatic firearms.
Nitedoc · 51-55, M
@BizSuitStacy You've done your homework.
KiwiBird · 36-40, F
Two Territories. NT and the ACT.

Year the States are a rule unto themselves. Duplicity everywhere. The Constitution is written that way and the Federal government can't do squat. No way the States will voluntarily give up power.
zonavar68 · 56-60, M
@KiwiBird After the Pt Arthur event then PM John Howard basically got a mandate to go hardcore on gun laws but they were already very secure. You can't just walk into a store and buy a gun (unless it's a dodgy store). I've never held a gun except once when an uncle owned a rural property and as a kid I fired a rifle. But the appeal of guns is something I've never found and I don't live on rural property now so have zero need for a gun.
KiwiBird · 36-40, F
@zonavar68 Yes, I know. I held a NZ gun licence and had to get a SA one here. I am well aware of the different State laws in Australia. NZ waited until the Christchurch 2019 massacre to tighten their laws.
4meAndyou · F
I have never owned a gun license or a gun, but a long time ago I did have to get a firearms identification card, because I was transporting my father's antique rifle collection in the trunk of my car. All I had to do to get that was show a photo ID.
Oster1 · M
The Blue, strict gun controlled one's, have the most crime. Fact. This concept of 'protection'. is proven daily, the world over!
Vetrov · 61-69, M
@Oster1
Odd fact
In Australia blue is associated with the conservative party...called the Liberal party.

Red is for Labour/Socialist
Oster1 · M
@Vetrov Different names. Same people, but I truly understand your valid reply! 😊👍🏻
Why do you want a gun?
What would you use it for?
Nitedoc · 51-55, M
@hartfire In most of America we don't need a reason to own a gun. It's called freedom.
Vetrov · 61-69, M
Shooting at things @hartfire
Ozuye502 · 36-40, M
@hartfire my weapons all fill different rolls from daily carry to competition shooting and hunting. Also a few are for liberty use only. There are more firearms in civilian hands then people in the US. But if you remove 5 cities from the crime stats we are no violent than the rest of the world.
SumKindaMunster · 51-55, M
Depends on the state, but gun laws in America are nowhere near this restrictive.
ArishMell · 70-79, M
I may be wrong but I think that's even stricter and more bureaucratic than in the UK!
May I ask why you need a gun?
Vetrov · 61-69, M
@metaldog Well you can’t shoot without one.
@Vetrov have you moved to QLD?
Vetrov · 61-69, M
ilikeitlikethat23 · 61-69, M
Some states are the wild west, limited or no checks in the right situation. Open carry, some states even want to eliminate the permit.
zonavar68 · 56-60, M
@ilikeitlikethat23 Mr Trump would have wanted to abolish all gun controls to support his mates in the KKK, the NRA, and in the religious movement(s). I don't know much about Biden's approach to gun laws but every time there's a mass shooting still nothing changes.
ilikeitlikethat23 · 61-69, M
@zonavar68 sad isn’t it...
I currently live in the upper midwestern state of iowa, I went to the local Sheriff's office, got my permit to purchase after a background check that was near instataneous, so I can go into any shop, pick out any firearm in any caliber I wish, fill out the required federal forms, show my permit to purchase card, pay for the weapon, and walk out with it within an hour, and since I live alone, no safe is required, I can even wear it on my hip concealed pretty much everywhere.
@Vetrov What the fuck are you smoking as to why you are asking such unrelated things to your original post?
Vetrov · 61-69, M
@NativePortlander1970 Cant we discuss the Iowa Caucus and the Ethanol subsidy as well? Im in Australia.....the only things I know about Iowa are from tv !
@Vetrov They're off topic. But ok, the caucus is when people physically stand in groups representing which candidate they support, but oh wait, the one with the most numbers don't always get the most delegates, the candidate most supported by the political party gets the most delegates. During the 2016 primaries, my precinct had three times as many supporters for Bernie Sanders as did Hillary Clinton, BUT the precinct helpers had tshirts on that showed their support for Hillary, so they sent four Hillary supporters to our County convention, while they were willing to send ONLY ONE of us, despite us having three times as many, they got four times more. This is one example of political corruption and fraud.

As for ethanol, its other name is moonshine, it's added to gasoline (petrol) to boost cleaner emissions.

 
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