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Three days. 10 mass shootings. More than 50 victims. US sees worst weekend of 2023.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/three-days-10-mass-shootings-193526497.html

Nine children were shot at a Georgia gas station.
Six people were killed in a Mississippi town.
Eleven people were shot in Memphis.
Five people were injured near a parade in New Orleans.
Six people were shot on a Chicago expressway.

That's just half of the reported mass shooting violence over the weekend.

There were 10 mass shootings from Feb. 17 through Feb. 19 – the most of any weekend so far this year, according to data from the Gun Violence Archive. That’s considering all shootings from Friday to Sunday in which four or more people were shot, not including the shooter or shooters.

Stop the gun insanity!


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Everytown for Gun Safety:
https://www.everytown.org/about-everytown/

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The Coalition to Stop Gun Violence:
https://www.csgv.org/

Giffords PAC:
https://giffords.org/
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* Guns are not used millions of times each year in self-defense
* Most purported self-defense gun uses are gun uses in escalating arguments, and are both socially undesirable and illegal
* Firearms are used far more often to intimidate than in self-defense
* Criminals who are shot are typically the victims of crime
https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/hicrc/firearms-research/gun-threats-and-self-defense-gun-use-2/





Are there "1 to 3 million" defensive gun uses per year in the US?

The "1 to 3 million" figure comes from one "random-digit-dialed telephone survey of 4,977 adults conducted from February through April of 1993" and reported by Kleck & Gertz in 1995. Kleck says the random sampling error of his survey is less than 1%, but if so, that would produce far smaller error bars than 1 to 3 million.

Others have tried to replicate Kleck's data; here's a survey of polling
https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/hicrc/firearms-research/gun-threats-and-self-defense-gun-use-2/
Needless to say, they produce much smaller numbers and likely have their own biases. But here's a useful quote:

We analyzed data from two national random-digit-dial surveys conducted under the auspices of the Harvard Injury Control Research Center. Criminal court judges who read the self-reported accounts of the purported self-defense gun use rated a majority as being illegal, even assuming that the respondent had a permit to own and to carry a gun, and that the respondent had described the event honestly from his own perspective.
What they're saying, in not so many words, is that guns are often used to intimidate. The guy who draws the gun may think he's preventing a crime. But putting another person in reasonable fear of bodily harm is the crime of assault (battery is when you make contact with the other person). So they're running these stories by judges, who say that many reported "defensive" gun uses are actually the offensive crime of assault, unknown to the gun user.

They also say "8. Criminals who are shot are typically the victims of crime; 9-10. Few criminals are shot by decent law-abiding citizens." i.e. they say it's almost impossible to find a criminal with a gun wound who was shot by a law abiding citizen.

And finally,
Victims use guns in less than 1% of contact crimes, and women never use guns to protect themselves against sexual assault (in more than 300 cases). Victims using a gun were no less likely to be injured after taking protective action than victims using other forms of protective action. Compared to other protective actions, the National Crime Victimization Surveys provide little evidence that self-defense gun use is uniquely beneficial in reducing the likelihood of injury or property loss.

I'm not saying this Harvard data is perfect, but it asks a lot of specific questions about defensive gun use; and the results do tend to completely undermine the Kleck 1993 polling result.





Here's the peer reviewed report from the two Harvard surveys:
https://injuryprevention.bmj.com/content/6/4/263

Same author, an analysis of the National Crime Victimization Survey from 2007-2011 covering 14,000 incidents
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0091743515001188
Results
Of over 14,000 incidents in which the victim was present, 127 (0.9%) involved a SDGU. SDGU was more common among males, in rural areas, away from home, against male offenders and against offenders with a gun. After any protective action, 4.2% of victims were injured; after SDGU, 4.1% of victims were injured. In property crimes, 55.9% of victims who took protective action lost property, 38.5 of SDGU victims lost property, and 34.9% of victims who used a weapon other than a gun lost property.
Conclusions
Compared to other protective actions, the National Crime Victimization Surveys provide little evidence that SDGU is uniquely beneficial in reducing the likelihood of injury or property loss.
SDGU = self-defense gun use
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@ElwoodBlues Oh, I blocked Marmeemarch ages ago for being a Putin apologist
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@Notanymore What are we going to do? Neuter the power of the gun lobby and severely restrict gun ownership.
Notanymore · 41-45, M
@SW-User no. I'm against most forms of gun control without intelligent thought. I am against the NRA though, I give money to the gun owners of America every time I get the chance.
SisterCatenaLaw · 18-21, F
Sadly I think the argument for any kind of gun control in The US will always fall on deaf ears . The NRA has it's claws so deep into US politics putting money into politicians pockets to side with them, plus sowing the seeds of the "government is gonna take my guns so they can subjugate me" paranoia it's really a hopeless case.
Too much division money and paranoia is involved in the second ammendment I am afraid it probably will never be fixed nor the bloodshed stop.
badminton · 61-69, MVIP
@ninalanyon The goal is to save lives. I'm in favor of any means that will be successful. but I believe that must include gun control laws, and the requirement of a gun owner's license, and mandatory gun safety training classes.

The gun industry has a hold on Congress because they bribe our representatives, with campaign contributions. In effect, the gun industry is funding the Republican party. Therefore, the Republicans do the bidding of the gun merchants. Enacting campaign finance reform laws that prohibits private campaign donations will be an essential part of reining in the gun lobby.
Notanymore · 41-45, M
@badminton I personally don't like fun control laws, because they only seem to affect people that follow laws. I don't disagree with mandatory training as long as the government has no right to make training restrictive, by price, availability or government bias. I've personally been involved in many different firearms safety classes as a volunteer, and recommend them as well as classes designed to teach efficient use of a firearm. The issue it have with that is just like many states' concealed carry permits, that are used as political tools to restrict actual rights granted by the constitution.

In effect, if I can't own a firearm to protect myself,my property and my family, because I follow laws, what's stopping my meth dealer neighbor from owning a firearm to take whatever advantage he wants of me?
Notanymore · 41-45, M
@ninalanyon I'm completely for lessening poverty and building a better country/world.
MasterLee · 56-60, M
Ever feel like you are on the wrong side of this?
MasterLee · 56-60, M
@ElwoodBlues I am telling you that you are a fool.
@MasterLee This is what the Dayton shooter used to kill 9 and wound another 17 in 32 sec. You really think you can make a case for this killing machine to be in private hands?

I'm telling you that only a fool would want killing machines like that in private hands.
MasterLee · 56-60, M
@ElwoodBlues you are obsessed. Try to calm down lil libby.
MrBrownstone · 46-50, M
How will a law stop criminals?
Atta Boy Joe! Great crime surge you have us in.
windinhishair · 70-79, M
@Experienced33 The number of mass shootings peaked when Trump left office, and decreased last year under Biden. They are down this year compared to last year's rate, even including the incidents above. As usual, your lies have no factual basis, but your abject hatred and vitriol is intact.
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eMortal · M
With that you’ll hear people say, “give more guns to good guys.”
What they don’t know is with every shooting, Putin’s social media warriors jump in to the comments section to encourage a civil war.
He caught us off guard with DT’s election. I hope the CIA and FBI are paying more attention now.
MasterLee · 56-60, M
@eMortal and what is the word salad
Okay I'm getting a concealed carry.
@windinhishair No it won't.
windinhishair · 70-79, M
@SinlessOnslaught Well then, I guess we should just give everyone weapons at birth and let them use them at will to settle disputes. What could go wrong?
sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M
"Defund the police!"

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@SisterCatenaLaw He does. I've blocked him
SisterCatenaLaw · 18-21, F
@SW-User wooooow ok then yeah see why he likes covering stuff up
SW-User
@SisterCatenaLaw Yep sadly.
Notanymore · 41-45, M
Why does this always happen when the atf has their backs against a wall?
Notanymore · 41-45, M
@LordShadowfire my agenda is welcoming free thought and open dialogue. So, true. I wouldn't speak, if I had nothing to say. However, there is no gain from arguing, or trying to win an argument, especially with someone set in their own program. I'd much rather offer a bit of thought.
LordShadowfire · 46-50, M
@Notanymore Well, I'm certainly no mind reader, but your original statement sounded like the ATF was staging attacks. And your final statement just now sounds a lot like statements I have read from people who are believers in certain conspiracy theories.
Notanymore · 41-45, M
@LordShadowfire would it matter to you or your life if I was a conspiracy theorist? Do you assume that all conspiracy theories are wrong?
Guns are a necessity.
You can't stop the USA from booooom BOOMING Europe, either. Because it's necessary to the domination you require over others. Booooom.
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BabyLonia · F
Thoughts and prayers fall on deaf ears
Notanymore · 41-45, M
@BabyLonia it's very hard to understand, and politics and media continue to push us a apart, instead of helping us work together. It's a mind-numbing cycle that we argue and argue, but very few do anything, except insulting each other.
badminton · 61-69, MVIP
@Notanymore Donate to a gun control advocacy group. See list in main message.
Notanymore · 41-45, M
@badminton that's a big no from my side.
You forgot to list the NRA
Good grief, and this year has barely started. 😩
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sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M
@MarmeeMarch But all those parents at school board meetings got hammered by the fbir....
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RedBaron · M
Sh*t happens and what else is new? All laws would do is create black markets to meet demand. Yawn.
LordShadowfire · 46-50, M
It's only going to get worse before it gets better, folks.
empanadas · 31-35, M
I was enjoying my weekend up north and I come back to this shit
candycane · 36-40, F
You think criminals will give up a gun lol
RogueLoner · M
IMPOSSIBLE!!

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eMortal · M
@RogueLoner it’s gonna help a little but it won’t stop the bullying in schools, at work and the far right ideologies.
RogueLoner · M
@eMortal Yeah, looks like it's helping a little. 🤣 Tell that to the dead.

 
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