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House Dem declares gun control will happen even if it means abolishing filibuster or expanding Supreme Court

House Dem declares gun control will happen even if it means abolishing filibuster or expanding Supreme Court

GOP Rep. Jim Jordan says the comments prove what Democrats are planning: 'Now, we know'
Tyler OlsonBy Tyler Olson | Fox News

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Rep. Mondaire Jones said Thursday Democrats will abolish the Senate filibuster and pack the Supreme Court in order to pass more restrictions on guns, as the House prepares to advance a package of gun bills next week.

Jones, D-N.Y., made the comments at a House Judiciary Committee markup on a package called the "Protecting Our Kids Act." The emergency committee meeting was called by Chairman Jerry Nadler, D-N.Y., in response to the mass shootings in Uvalde, Texas, and Buffalo, New York, in recent weeks.

"Enough of you telling us that school shootings are a fact of life when every other country like ours has virtually ended it. Enough of you blaming mental illness and then defunding mental health care in this country. Enough of your thoughts and prayers," Jones said during the emotional hearing.

"You will not stop us from advancing the Protecting Our Kids Act today," he added. "If the filibuster obstructs us, we will abolish it. If the Supreme Court objects, we will expand it. And we will not rest until we have taken weapons of war out of circulation and our communities each and every day."

But House Judiciary Committee ranking member Jim Jordan, R-Ohio, said Jones with his Thursday comments showed Democrats fundamentally don't want to compromise.

"Now we know where they want to go. He just said it," Jordan, said. "End the filibuster. Expand the court. Forget the Constitution. Now, we know."

Rep. Jim Jordan speaks at a news conference on July 21, 2021, in Washington.
Rep. Jim Jordan speaks at a news conference on July 21, 2021, in Washington. (Anna Moneymaker/Getty Images)

HOUSE DEMS' GUN PACKAGE TO RAISE AGE LIMIT FOR SEMI-AUTOMATIC RIFLE PURCHASES, BAN ‘HIGH CAPACITY’ MAGAZINES

The House is expected to vote on the Protecting Our Kids Act next week. It would raise the age to purchase a semiautomatic rifle to 21, tighten regulations on "ghost guns" and ban new large-capacity magazines, among several other things. The chamber is also expected to address red flag laws.

Meanwhile, a group of primarily moderate senators is negotiating a more modest agreement that could make it through the Senate, which has a 60-vote filibuster that gives the GOP minority far more say than in the House.

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"Democrats blame guns. They criticize the NRA. They call Republicans names. But let's be honest, they've told us what they want to do. Their real beef is with the Second Amendment," Jordan added. "Their goal, plain and simple, is to get rid of the Second Amendment. Joe Biden said it the other day, said he wants to ban 9mm handguns."

BIDEN TO DELIVER PRIMETIME ADDRESS ON MASS SHOOTINGS, GUNS

A law enforcement personnel lights a candle outside Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, Wednesday, May 25, 2022.
A law enforcement personnel lights a candle outside Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, Wednesday, May 25, 2022. (AP Photo/Jae C. Hong)

The Thursday committee markup also included several emotional speeches from Democrats, including Rep. Lucy McBath, D-Ga., who talked about losing her son to gun violence.

Republicans, meanwhile, argued Democrats are ignoring key problems like mental health and the family that are contributing to gun violence. They also argued Democrats' proposals may be unconstitutional.

"The courts have made it pretty clear you cannot deprive young adults any more of the remainder of Americans of their core Second Amendment right to self-defense," Rep. Dan Bishop, R-N.C., said of the proposal to increase the age at which Americans can buy semiautomatic rifles.

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Heartlander · 80-89, M

How many of these shooting will we have to go through before someone in the misinformation business or high office mentions the role drugs may have played. Considering how many of Salvador Ramos's immediate family had serious drub problems, it's a pretty safe bet that Salvador's mind may have also been warped with the help of illegal drugs.

Why is there no attention paid to the relationship between illegal drug use and violence?

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room101 · 56-60, M

@Heartlander Countries all over the world have problems with drug abuse. However, it's only in America (where the number of guns on the streets is greater than the number of people) that mass shootings has become a national pastime.

Stop trying to find explanations (aka excuses) when the answer is right in front of your nose.

GerOttman · 70-79, M

@room101 there are many other countries which experience 'mass shootings', you and others are largely unaware due to a lack of domestic coverage of these events. twelve people shot in Mexico won't sell toothpaste in East Podunk. Almost (all) of those countries have much stricter regulation of firearm possession. your 'answer' is a Utopian fantasy!

Heartlander · 80-89, M

@room101

Countries all over the world have problems with drug abuse

Do they?

room101 · 56-60, M

@GerOttman I've lived in the UK for most of my life, a country which imposed some of the strictest gun ownership laws in the world. This was after a school shooting in Dunblane, Scotland in 1996.

THERE HAVE BEEN FOUR MASS SHOOTINGS IN THE UK IN MY LIFETIME!

So very sorry to burst your bubble, NOT A UTOPIAN FANTASY. REALITY!

room101 · 56-60, M

@Heartlander Oh FFS, am I supposed to take that seriously🤦‍♂️

Heartlander · 80-89, M

@room101

:) you conveniently bypass a bit of significant data.

For one, the US population is about 5 times larger than the UK's, so comparisons would require a bit of weighing, even when comparing small apples to larger apples. More significant may be the difference in immigration policy. I don't believe the UK has a "catch and release" practice. Instead, an illegal immigrant may be detained indefinitely in the UK.

Even more significant may be illegal drug usage. While (so called) recreational drugs may be as popular jin the UK as they are in the US, sharp differences are in the number of deaths related to such drug usage and the level of violence enjoyed by those who import and distribute those (so called) recreational drugs.

Even after balancing the population differences and ignoring the violence for a moment, the US overwhelmed the UK by 3 to 1 in the number of deaths related to illegal (recreational) drug usage. The difference suggests that illegal drugs take a far-far-far greater toll in the US than they do in the UK. Whether it's because of the type of illegal drugs, or the discipline of the user, or whatever; it's a safe assumption that people with reckless disregard for their own lives also have a reckless disregard for the lives of others.

Focusing simply on firearms when trying to find the root of school shootings suggests that it's not about the children but about the guns. Leftist see political opportunity with each school shooting and with the help of our misinformation industry, they can tighten control a little more on our 2nd amendment rights. Where are the politicians demanding to know what drugs Salvador Ramos had been taking? ... and how did he get them? Where are the news reporters interviewing neurology experts about how drugs can affect a person who has been bullied?

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@Heartlander Because that would require giving people healthcare and we can't have that!!!!

Heartlander · 80-89, M

@Spunkylama

In the US, politician on both the left and right are too busy squabbling over healthcare INSURANCE to bother with healthcare itself. It's much like the focus on firearms rather than why some people want to kill other people.

room101 · 56-60, M

@Heartlander and you conveniently bypass basic arithmetic skills. If the US has a population five times larger than that of the UK, we could take my "four mass shootings in my lifetime" assertion and simply multiply it by five. That would give us a comparably weighted by population figure of 20. How many has the US experienced this year alone?

Heartlander · 80-89, M

@room101 Comparisons have to be qualified, starting with what is or isn't a mass shooting. Mass shootings themselves are really a subset of mass killings. Is the mass shooting of 10 people more horrendous than the mass killing of 10 people in a subway with a bomb? Do terrorist attacks count as mass killings? But ignore all of that because what leftist want to do is to undermine our 2nd amendment and they believe that a mass shooting at a school will help them move that agenda along.

My math/arithmetic/analytical skills are pretty solid. In a comprehensive swoop of where all this violence is coming from, our death count suggests it's DRUGS, and while that elephant in the room tramples us, we hear very little from politicians and our misinformation industry about how deeply drugs have poisoned American brains.

Go figure? is it because Democrats enjoy an unadvertised endorsement from drug gangs? and drug-heads?

room101 · 56-60, M

@Heartlander "our death count suggests it's DRUGS, and while that elephant in the room tramples us"

As I have told you before (and you reacted with incredulity), Countries all over the world have drug abuse problems but only in America have mass shootings become a national pastime. Quite appropriate that you have used the phrase "elephant in the room". Are you referring to this one?

Heartlander · 80-89, M

@room101

Naaaa ... As I mentioned more than once, I'm not a Republican. I'm an anti-Democrat. What I like most about Republicans is that they aren't Democrats.

The drug problem isn't just about abuse. It's also the distribution chain. Alcoholism alone didn't create or expand the power of the big American crime syndicates. Nor did alcohol itself. What set that crime crime spree off was prohibition. Want a preview of what strict gun control will do to the US? Look across the Rio Grande and see how well gun control is working in Mexico and Central America. Or peek back in history and see what prohibition did the the US.

room101 · 56-60, M

@Heartlander If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck.........................🤷‍♂️

So now it's not drugs that are causing the mass shootings, it's prohibition. Prohibition that you do not have!🤦‍♂️

Why would I look at Latin America when I can look at where I actually live, why would I look into the past when I can look at my present. Strict gun ownership laws have dramatically reduced all forms of gun death (including suicide), they have resulted in a general police force that is unarmed . That's my present day reality. What's yours?

Heartlander · 80-89, M

@room101

Prohibition empowered the gangsters of the 1920s and 30s. Powers they hold on to this day.

Of course I wouldn't expect you to look at Latin America, for all the same reasons why our misinformation industry also ignores what's happening just 100 feet beyond the border.

Strict gun control laws DIDN'T reduce violence in Mexico or Latin America. You are referencing countries that have strict immigration control and where there is a historical compliant population. That's not the USA. That's also the liberal pipe dream, to make the USA be more like the UK.

room101 · 56-60, M

@Heartlander But YOU DO NOT HAVE ANY PROHIBITION ON GUN OWNERSHIP (in fact, you have more guns on your streets than you have men, women and children) WHAT YOU DO HAVE IS MORE MASS SHOOTINGS THAN ALL OF YOUR PEER NATIONS COMBINED.

I wonder, is it possible that there is a correlation between number of guns and number of gun deaths?????

Heartlander · 80-89, M

@room101

peer nations?

The US and countries in Western Europe aren't peers.

Attempts to even make US bar laws the same as in the UK would trigger a revolt. For years, you could get arrested in England for trying to buy a beer at 4 p.m.

In France, it's illegal for an employer to e-mail an employee after hours. Or even contact them on the weekend.

And Check immigration policies. Want to immigrate to the UK? First you have to have a job there, or prove that you already have enough money to sustain yourself without government aid.

room101 · 56-60, M

@Heartlander So, you can't address the obvious correlation between the number of guns in your society and the ridiculous number of mass shooting incidents that you have as compared to other developed nations and instead start gibbering away about totally irrelevant bullshit.

But that's your MO🤷‍♂️

watch and maybe learn something genius

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Heartlander · 80-89, M

@room101

The US also experiences far more auto fatalities than the UK (even when weighing for the population differences). The US also has far more automobiles than the UK (even when weighing for the population differences).

Should we reduce the US auto fatality counts by restricting automobile ownership? Or raise the driving age to 21? Or requiring a federal permit before one can drive? Or maybe completely eliminate ones right to possess an automobile?

Are you a US citizen or resident? Formally a UK resident? If so, why did you leave the UK to come live in this non-peer country?

room101 · 56-60, M

@Heartlander False equivalence is a logical fallacy in which an equivalence is drawn between two subjects based on flawed or false reasoning. This fallacy is categorized as a fallacy of inconsistency.

What made you think that I live in the US? Oh right, because I'm commenting on an American issue. Because, in your simple little mind, only Americans can comment on American issues. Maybe those that decide your foreign policy strategies could adopt that stance The world will thank you for it👍

Heartlander · 80-89, M

@room101

Naaa, it's a free-for-all discussion.

If your interest was on human life, I can think of 100+ more impactful issues and countries you could focus on.

Interesting, but you didn't answer the question. You instead deflected.

room101 · 56-60, M

@Heartlander It's a free-for-all discussion but you just had to find out about where I live right...............because you're just a curious guy🤦‍♂️

Did you ask a question that deserved an answer?

My interest is on human life and deflecting to 100+ more impactful issues simply shows that your interest is in maintaining your destructive gun fetish. Regardless of the cost to human life.

Heartlander · 80-89, M

@room101

gun fetish ? :) that's so funny

psst. I don't own a gun and have no immediate plans to buy one. I once had an air-powered pellet handgun for target practice in my garage and to scare pigeons away. But it got old and leaky and had to be pumped too many times to get enough air pressure to expel the pellet.

The argument is about freedom. I believe the most fundamental entity of government is the individual, and unless he or she demonstrates a meaningful threat to another individual he or she should be left to pursue life, liberty and the happiness thing as he or she defines it. The government doesn't own us. Unlike in the UK, we are not subjects of the US Crown or government; we are citizens with basic individual rights that are beyond the reach of the government.

That 2nd amendment is like our 1st amendment where we enjoy the freedom of speech or the freedom of the press. Before our right to free speech can be taken away from us as individuals we have to first yell FIRE in a crowded movie theater when there is no fire; just because we might yell fire in a crowded theater isn't enough to restrict our free speech. The US government can't take away the freedom of the press to disclose Top Secret information. It can only take action after the facts. That 2nd amendment fits in there. Only after that freedom is abused can there be restrictions ... on the offending individual.

All our freedoms can be abused, but because they can be abused doesn't translate in to denying us of those freedoms.

Still deflecting I see :)

GerOttman · 70-79, M

@room101 the question could be rightfully asked, who is it that has the 'gun fetish'?

Heartlander · 80-89, M

@GerOttman

still deflecting?

GerOttman · 70-79, M

@Heartlander no..

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