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Why does the US have so many more “bad guys” than other developed countries? What does that say about us?

I ask because we have the highest rate of gun deaths in the developed world and because Republicans and Trump supporters insist that we can’t have any more gun control because “guns don’t kill people, people kill people” and “we don’t have a gun problem, we have a morality problem”. Why do we have a “morality problem”? I thought we were “the greatest country on Earth”? So we’re the greatest country on Earth, we just have the shittiest people?
Not sure of the complete accuracy but it has challenged me to do some investigating of my own.
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WeighedDown · 36-40, M
@Pinkstarburst yes let's use memes to talk about numbers
WeighedDown · 36-40, M
WeighedDown · 36-40, M
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The reason for this problem is partly because of the NRA who influences opinion on guns. Using fear tactics such as the Government will become tyrannical if there is a gun ban. They control many GOP members as well, any politician who believes there should be some form of gun control lose money they received from the NRA and possibly re-election. Even though support for background checks and the call to ban automatic weapons is very high among democrats and republican voters nothing gets done because of this association.
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@sunsporter1649 You do know there is this thing called the internet, right?
sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M
@SW-User And of course everything on the internet is as pure as the new driven snow, right?
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@sunsporter1649 Depends on where you go. Most of my info. comes from Pew research.
TexChik · F
Please ... spare us the lib talking points . They are not accurate
JP1119 · 36-40, M
@TexChik What “lie” did I tell? Do we not have more gun deaths than any other developed country?
TexChik · F
@JP1119 your gun control comment ... the laws are there... but libs don’t want them enforced ... they want the issue
JP1119 · 36-40, M
@TexChik So let me get this straight, we [i]do[/i] have a gun problem, and we have proper gun control laws on the books, we just have evil liberal cops that want people getting shot up?
They are just jealous of how much the United States has developed and within 200 and something years while they're still swinging on trees as their forefathers did thousands of years ago. So we are doing everything right and They… are just floundering in the world.


By the way developed countries is subjective term
Jackaloftheazuresand · 26-30, M
because the scum from other countries are committing other acts, ours have guns theirs don't
Jackaloftheazuresand · 26-30, M
@QuixoticSoul drinking, promiscuity, drugs, pretty much anything seen as a negative. And it's not necessarily because they don't have guns, it's just happenstance that they don't.
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
@Jackaloftheazuresand Hmm. Well ok.
WeighedDown · 36-40, M
@QuixoticSoul does that all not also happen here?
Reverend · M
The U.S. doesn't, other countries don't make their violence go live on TV whereas the U.S. does.
Reverend · M
@JP1119 thats because criminals are nuts.
JP1119 · 36-40, M
@Reverend Just American criminals?
Reverend · M
@JP1119 if you take those deaths away we would be in the minority of gun violence. Being free to pack, legal and low on death rate.
Scooter · 22-25, M
It seems to be something with our society. We are far from the only country to consume large amounts of violent video games, and mental illness isn’t just present in our country (not to mention the fact that some argue that some shooters didn’t show any obvious signs of mental illness before the shootings).

It might be that we’re a highly individualistic culture that romanticizes fighting for things (which includes violent fighting), but I’m not sure how one would even go about proving that’s the cause (if this qualities are even unique enough to the USA to be considered the reason)
Ryannnnnn · 31-35, M
I think it's a bigger country and there's likely comparable numbers in other countries but people just don't watch other countries news and maybe it isn't being reported on. People only see what's in their own back yard.
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
@Ryannnnnn There really aren't comparable numbers in countries with our level of development and our standard of living. There are totally more dangerous countries in the world, but they tend to be shitholes.
Ryannnnnn · 31-35, M
@JP1119 That might be true but one fact doesn't paint a true picture. I think the most gun crimes tend to be committed by a small amount of people who repeatedly kill people and/or are involved in other crimes as well. Then there's other deaths by suicide etc which count towards the number. It also would have the most gun deaths because it has the most guns. Just means people die from other means like stabbings and beatings in other countries, which would happen if you took away guns.

If you compare that with world-wide murder rates the US has a low homicide rate whereas Africa makes up about a third of homicides. So it's not as bad as you'd think and it's not full of bad guys.
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
@Ryannnnnn [quote] Just means people die from other means like stabbings and beatings in other countries, which would happen if you took away guns.

If you compare that with world-wide murder rates the US has a low homicide rate whereas Africa makes up about a third of homicides. So it's not as bad as you'd think and it's not full of bad guys.[/quote]
Yes, compared with some countries in Africa and Latin America US is a pretty safe country. But why do you want to compare this country to places in serious trouble?

[quote]RESULTS:
[b]US homicide rates were 7.0 times higher than in other high-income countries[/b], driven by a gun homicide rate that was 25.2 times higher. For 15- to 24-year-olds, the gun homicide rate in the United States was 49.0 times higher. Firearm-related suicide rates were 8.0 times higher in the United States, but the overall suicide rates were average. Unintentional firearm deaths were 6.2 times higher in the United States. The overall firearm death rate in the United States from all causes was 10.0 times higher. Ninety percent of women, 91% of children aged 0 to 14 years, 92% of youth aged 15 to 24 years, and 82% of all people killed by firearms were from the United States.[/quote]
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26551975
SteelHands · 61-69, M
It's not permitted for the press in other countries to let their slaves and subjects tell about how much criminal activity they have to the rest of the world.
SteelHands · 61-69, M
@JP1119 Lots of reasons. The top three are economic import export trade stability, intergovernmental cooperation, and leadership trust.
JP1119 · 36-40, M
And we’re the only country in the world that’s enlightened enough to have freedom of the press? @SteelHands
SteelHands · 61-69, M
@JP1119 It's because our press and media news organizations have a unnatural obsession with violent news and downplaying more important economic and social news.

[b]2%[/b] of any given country makes problems for around 96% of the decent people in a given system. Another 2% are either organically mentally challenged or the natural waste product of excessively wealthy parents that makes them into a sort of useless yet harmless class of non contributors to a society.

This used to be fairly common knowledge. The teachers these days are borderline idiots, however. Seems you're a perfect example of their failure.
JP1119 · 36-40, M
What’s bullshit? That we don’t have a gun problem, we have a morality problem? That lots of Republicans and Trump supporters [i]say[/i] we don’t have a gun problem, we have a morality problem? That we have the highest rate of gun deaths in the developed world? @TheOneyouwerewarnedabout
You’re bullshit.. your numbers are fudged.. and you know it narrative spinner @JP1119
WeighedDown · 36-40, M
The Land of the free has the most people incarcerated of any country on the planet.
eli1601 · 70-79, M
@WeighedDown Did they break the law and have a trial or did we just throw them in prison?
WeighedDown · 36-40, M
@eli1601 does not matter prison trains Criminals to be more violent and more ruthless. Cages cause more aggression, Cesar Millan can tell you that. Once in prison the first choice you make is join a gang or be targeted by everybody and anybody.
midnightsun · 26-30, M
Nah. US is definitely safer than most countries
midnightsun · 26-30, M
@WeighedDown I said most.

We have 190+ countries in this world.
WeighedDown · 36-40, M
@midnightsun Deaths from gun violence are rare even in many countries that are extremely poor — such as Bangladesh, which saw 0.07 deaths per 100,000 people.
@midnightsun Are you serious? How many countries have you visited? I think you need to research the facts.
“Greatest country on earth”? Lol 😂
JP1119 · 36-40, M
@Discotheque That’s what most everyone here says, it’s heresy to suggest otherwise. If a politician says something critical about the way things are, Republicans will say he “hates America”!
sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M
@JP1119 Yes, we need more great American's like this.
cherokeepatti · 61-69, F
JP1119 · 36-40, M
@cherokeepatti Who says what? LOTS of my friends on Facebook and conservative political commentators insist that “we don’t have a gun problem, we have a morality problem”. “Guns don’t kill people, people kill people” is probably the political cliche I’ve heard most in the last decade and a half. It seems to be common knowledge among Republicans that gun deaths are caused by “bad guys with guns” who can only be stopped by “good guys with guns”. Police, angels that they all are, apparently aren’t good enough.
sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M
@JP1119 Yeah, them damn guns just jump out of their holsters and run around killing folks

 
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