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The father of a German exchange student shot dead in Montana after he trespassed in a man's garage has said the US cannot continue to "play cowboy" with firearms.

Markus Kaarma has been charged with deliberate murder in the Sunday killing of Diren Dede, 17, of Hamburg.

But he says Montana's self-defence law allowed him to shoot the boy.

Celal Dede said he would not have allowed his son to study in the US had he been aware of the lenient gun laws.

"I didn't think for one night that everyone here can kill somebody just because that person entered his back yard," Mr Dede told the German news agency dpa.
Pressure authorities

Mr Dede returned to Germany from Montana on Thursday after securing the release of his son's body, a German consulate spokeswoman said.

The son of a family of Turkish immigrants to Germany, Diren was attending Big Sky High School in Missoula, Montana, for one year as part of an exchange program.

Diren, known in Hamburg for his football skills, had only six weeks left in the programme.
This undated still image taken from video shows Markus Kaarma at his home in Missoula, Montana Markus Kaarma was released on $30,000 bond while he awaits trial on the murder charge

Mr Kaarma, a 29-year-old firefighter, has told investigators his home had twice been hit by burglars, and he told a hair stylist he had waited up at night to shoot intruders, prosecutors said.

On the night of the shooting, Mr Kaarma and his partner Janelle Pflager left their garage door open, and Ms Pflager left her purse in the garage in order to bait intruders, she told police.

They set up motion sensors and a video monitor, prosecutors said.

When the sensors went off just after midnight and they saw a man on the monitor screen, Mr Kaarma went outside and fired a shotgun into the garage without warning several times.

It is unclear what the teenager was doing inside in the garage.

Mr Kaarma's lawyer said his client planned to plead not guilty.

The state allows residents to protect their homes with deadly force when they believe they are going to be harmed, said his lawyer, Paul Ryan.

"We know with no question the individual entered the garage," Mr Ryan said. "Kaarma didn't know who he was, his intent or whether he was armed."

He said that there had been a spate of break-ins in the neighbourhood and Mr Kaarma did not think the police were doing anything about them.
'Castle doctrine' defence

The suspect was released on $30,000 (£17,800) bond, and has remained in his home.

Montana's so-called "castle doctrine" law was amended in 2009 to allow deadly force if a homeowner "reasonably believes" an intruder is trying to harm him or her.

Before that, residents could only use such force if the intruder acted in a violent way. The legislation was backed by the US' largest gun lobby, the National Rifle Association (NRA).

State Representative Ellie Hill told the Missoulian newspaper she has proposed legislation to repeal the 2009 amendments to the law.

"What the castle doctrine has done in this country is it has created a culture of gun violence and vigilante justice," Ms Hill, a Democrat who represents Missoula, said.

"And it's created a culture that it's okay to shoot first and ask questions later."


This is cold blooded and pre-meditated murder. I hope this idiot gets the death penalty!
JackBarnesMRA
Yes. I bought a 4 year old a BB gun. Yes it is legal.
A. 5 year old can gun hunting with an adult. A 10 year old can go hunting alone.
The gun I bought her is the least powerful one available. She is not allowed to use it without direct adult supervision. At point blank range it won't even penetrate a soda can. Just makes a little dent in it.
I bought it for her to teach her gun safety.
They have a very cool looking pink camo pattern 223 deer rifle that she will probably get for her 10th birthday.
Mikemcneil · 61-69, M
I did. The study only mentions 5.6 once. Back to your usual tactic?

If 48.4 per cent of perpetrators are female, then 51.6 per cent of perpetrators must be male. I can't make it any clearer, can I?
JackBarnesMRA
48.4% of the participants reported a female perpetrator.
5.6% of the participants reported a male perpetrator.
3% of the participants reported both a female and a male perpetrator.

Keep wishing for the study to say what you want it to say. No matter how much you want men to be the majority of the perpetrators you still can't change reality.
Just because you want to believe something is doesn't mean it is true.
I'm done talking about this. We are just going round and round.
Why don't you check out my latest story post.
Mikemcneil · 61-69, M
You are refusing to accept there is a mistake even though I have proved why it is a mistake. The study says what it does for a reason. Males attack males at college. You refuse to believe that so you deny there is a mistake. No surprise there!
JackBarnesMRA
Asian. For months you have been making accusations about kids pictures and youtube. For months I have asked you to provide evidence to back up you accusations. You have yet to provide even the smallest spread of evidence.
Your a liar.

"Blah blah blah they hate women blah blah blah."
Yawn.
This is the typical feminist tactic. When you mindless harpies can't argue against what we have to say you scream "misogyny." It's very entertaining an illustrative of just exactly what the feminist movement really is.

You can't silence us. We will never stop. You can't beat us. The MRM and the antifeminist movement is too big. There are too many people speaking out against feminism. There is no going back.

Yep. I have been focusing on rape a lot lately. It's the last feminist sacred cow. Once it is dead feminism will be in its death throws.

It's only a matter of time.
JackBarnesMRA
I presented you with the stats. You rejected them. Remember.
Mikemcneil · 61-69, M
I pointed out correctly they were flawed. You don't understand percentages so my rejection confused you.
Mikemcneil · 61-69, M
Maybe you should check out the equivalent study on females up to the age of 18 on a 300 participant study of females. It shows that 4 in 5 females suffer from sexual victimization . A lot more than males. Obviously you don't give a shit about that study?
JackBarnesMRA
Why am I not surprised that feminist pinko like yourself is also an anti-gun idiot too.
Guess what i bought my 4 year old daughter for easter. It wasn't a bunny rabbit.
JackBarnesMRA
There are different kinds a BB guns.
westsideblues1
YES I KNOW THERE ARE AND ALL BB GUNS CAN BREAK THE SKIN
JackBarnesMRA
Must all air rifles can break the skin. Some have as much power as a .22 rifle.
This is a spring powered BB gun. Far far less powerful.
westsideblues1
After reading the article my conclusion is..;Looks like JACKASS AND ALL HIS BUDDIES NEED TO GO TO THEARPY. EVERY LAST ONE OF YA CRY ABOUT MOMMY OR SOME OLD G/F WHO MADE YOU A VICTIM!!

I seriously doubt any of you will go.

You just want to cry about it and continue to be a victim and hate on women! u all believe your hating makes it better !!! but it doesn't, it stalls you emotionally! keeps you in the same mode of thinking!


( example.. jack being on the rape topic for over a month, and at least 3 years hating on women here on e/p. jacks behavior has increasingly became more aggressive and mean spirited ,need i say life threatening towards women and children !!! with him trying to recruit 13/ 14 year olds from e/p into his dark world! and threatening to use children pictures for his you tube videos to blackmail their parents!


doesn't help society or your self ! some of you go onto rape women because of ur hate) others sit in front of a key board all-day for years hating on women then find themselves in involved in peculiar circumstances that involves possible jail time do to their aggressive behavior toward women.
westsideblues1
I do the same to dozer .....just as a reminder that he has not been forgotten for his child love he got kicked off for under the name of greenbare!!
westsideblues1
you can sit there behind ur screen like the guy behind the curtain and pretend you did nothing !!

we have given you that proof ! so , go on and act like u never did anything!!!

I know you have to cover your ass and make it look like you never stole pics from my profile or tried to recruit those 13 years old teenagers here on e/p.

how does it feel having to cover ur ass all the time

hahahahahahahahahahahahahhaahahahahahahb LMFFO!
westsideblues1
oh yea iv got screen shots of this spo of a bitch !!! he so stupid he keeps coming back for more
westsideblues1
over half of the college men reported
some form of sexual victimization;

men with
sexual victimization experiences reported
higher levels of weekly drinking, problematic
drinking, tobacco use, sexual risk-taking behavior,
and sexual dysfunction; and

those men
with more severe sexual victimization experiences
generally reported engaging in more
health risk behaviors and experiencing more
sexual dysfunctions than those who reported
less severe experiences
westsideblues1
A recent study revealed that
college male victims (who reported victimization) reported increased
adulthood posttraumatic stress, hostility,
depression, and general distress symptoms
westsideblues1
I have known men who were raped but,

it was by their own kind!!!! Men!!
Mikemcneil · 61-69, M
Jack refuses to comment on male-on-male rapes, because if he does it makes him look stupid. Based on his ideas about women, the men must have been somehow responsible for their own rapes.
westsideblues1
it creeps him out to know his own kind will and can rape him lol
westsideblues1
<p>jack as ur article even says this and i quote....&gt;</p><p> the majority of adult sexual crimes
are committed by men against women.</p>
aaronabc
Guilty until proven innocent. Nice
Mikemcneil · 61-69, M
Thanks for posting the link. I checked it out. Interesting to know from the comment posted on that site there are still some idiots who think that if you see a person "trespassing" on your property you can still execute them legally!
Mikemcneil · 61-69, M
That's probably why he only fired 3 shots then....!

It will be interesting to see how the trial unfolds...I hope he doesn't get to cop a plea bargain on this one.
Mikemcneil · 61-69, M
He left the garage door open and put his wife's purse on display on the floor inside the garage door......talk about baiting the trap.

 
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