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The father of a German exchange student shot dead in Montana after he trespassed in a man's garage has said the US cannot continue to "play cowboy" with firearms.

Markus Kaarma has been charged with deliberate murder in the Sunday killing of Diren Dede, 17, of Hamburg.

But he says Montana's self-defence law allowed him to shoot the boy.

Celal Dede said he would not have allowed his son to study in the US had he been aware of the lenient gun laws.

"I didn't think for one night that everyone here can kill somebody just because that person entered his back yard," Mr Dede told the German news agency dpa.
Pressure authorities

Mr Dede returned to Germany from Montana on Thursday after securing the release of his son's body, a German consulate spokeswoman said.

The son of a family of Turkish immigrants to Germany, Diren was attending Big Sky High School in Missoula, Montana, for one year as part of an exchange program.

Diren, known in Hamburg for his football skills, had only six weeks left in the programme.
This undated still image taken from video shows Markus Kaarma at his home in Missoula, Montana Markus Kaarma was released on $30,000 bond while he awaits trial on the murder charge

Mr Kaarma, a 29-year-old firefighter, has told investigators his home had twice been hit by burglars, and he told a hair stylist he had waited up at night to shoot intruders, prosecutors said.

On the night of the shooting, Mr Kaarma and his partner Janelle Pflager left their garage door open, and Ms Pflager left her purse in the garage in order to bait intruders, she told police.

They set up motion sensors and a video monitor, prosecutors said.

When the sensors went off just after midnight and they saw a man on the monitor screen, Mr Kaarma went outside and fired a shotgun into the garage without warning several times.

It is unclear what the teenager was doing inside in the garage.

Mr Kaarma's lawyer said his client planned to plead not guilty.

The state allows residents to protect their homes with deadly force when they believe they are going to be harmed, said his lawyer, Paul Ryan.

"We know with no question the individual entered the garage," Mr Ryan said. "Kaarma didn't know who he was, his intent or whether he was armed."

He said that there had been a spate of break-ins in the neighbourhood and Mr Kaarma did not think the police were doing anything about them.
'Castle doctrine' defence

The suspect was released on $30,000 (£17,800) bond, and has remained in his home.

Montana's so-called "castle doctrine" law was amended in 2009 to allow deadly force if a homeowner "reasonably believes" an intruder is trying to harm him or her.

Before that, residents could only use such force if the intruder acted in a violent way. The legislation was backed by the US' largest gun lobby, the National Rifle Association (NRA).

State Representative Ellie Hill told the Missoulian newspaper she has proposed legislation to repeal the 2009 amendments to the law.

"What the castle doctrine has done in this country is it has created a culture of gun violence and vigilante justice," Ms Hill, a Democrat who represents Missoula, said.

"And it's created a culture that it's okay to shoot first and ask questions later."


This is cold blooded and pre-meditated murder. I hope this idiot gets the death penalty!
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JackBarnesMRA
Why am I not surprised that feminist pinko like yourself is also an anti-gun idiot too.
Guess what i bought my 4 year old daughter for easter. It wasn't a bunny rabbit.
Mikemcneil · 61-69, M
Is that so she can practice cold blooded murder on innocent teenagers?

Feminist pinko?....hilarious!

Did you buy a 4 year old a gun Jack?.....is that legal?
Mikemcneil · 61-69, M
Ps Since when did you have a 4 year old daughter?
JackBarnesMRA
A BB gun.
JackBarnesMRA
Since about 4 years ago.
Mikemcneil · 61-69, M
BB guns kill people too. Teach violence as a a way of life and expect violence to visit your life.
Mikemcneil · 61-69, M
Not just a feminist...I am a pinko commie as well now!

That case with the German kid is no way a case of a man shooting an intruder because he feared for his life....!
Mikemcneil · 61-69, M
I support equal rights for everyone. Jack thinks I am a feminist because I expose the stupidity of most MRAs. They are currently showing their anti-women hatred by attacking the widow of a man who killed himself after getting bad advice from lawyers in a custody battle. It has nothing to do with feminism and a lot less to do with what they see as men's rights.
JackBarnesMRA
Saint.
Go and read the article on Avfm and read it before blindly believing mike. In his suicide letter he describes how the courts and his wife drove him to suicide. Since his death she has made the claim that she now owns his suicide letter. She has got a lawyer and a judge to order every website that has posted his letter to remove it . Avfm is refusing to comply.

Refusing to comply with her wishes to silence her husband's last words is Avfm's great crime against this woman. As usual mike is lying.
Mikemcneil · 61-69, M
Jackie.....as usual you are wrong.

He killed himself after posting his suicide note online. His major reason for killing himself was that he felt he got fucked over by taking his own lawyer's advice.

In his letter he described his wife as an abusive pychopath. She has no way to respind to that libellious comment. He also names his children in his letter.

AVFM have taken on some hickster lawyer to refuse to take the letter down because they think the letter indicates how harshly men are treated by the legal system. I think it will lead to a lot of critiscm of AVFM by unbiased viewers.

Jack, stop lying!
Mikemcneil · 61-69, M
I think the problem with the letter as first published is that it libels at least two people, and names and criticises several others, mainly lawyers and court officials. It also contains photos of his two children. If it stays up, and I don't see how it will ever be taken completely off the internet now, Those people have no way to respond to the allegations he made public.

You or I or Jack or Paul have no way of knowing what are facts and what are fictions.

If he had not committed suicide after posting the letter he would have had to face court proceedings over those allegations.

I have every sympathy for men with genuine custody issues, but bear in mind this man signed away his access rights while he was still alive.

I respect your viewpoint on this one saint, but I don't agree that this situation with AVFM using him as a "poster boy" for hatred of his widow and thew Family Courts. They have jumped on the bandwagon of family breakdown despair purely to use it for their own twisted ends. Can any of us be sure what he wanted this letter to be used for after his death?
Mikemcneil · 61-69, M
That's because the AVFM website only cares about men, and the vast majority of rape victims are female.

The other point I was making on the story about this case is the legal attorney "hired" by AVFM to contest the request to take down the letter/link from their website. They printed his letter detailing why they will not be removing the article containing the suicide letter, and it really shocked me by being so badly written. It was not a defence of the letter so much a an attack on his widow. I don't think anyone can safely say the guy killed himself because of her actions. He was depressed, jobless, had child support payment arrears and had caused a lot of bad feeling by posting negative comments on his blog. I think those were all contributory factors. AVFM are saying nothing about that. They just maintain that a rich evil bitch killed a good man by stopping him seeing his kids. That kind of negative attitude does not help the AVFM cause.
JackBarnesMRA
Vast majority of rape victims are female!?!
"In this study, 51.2% (N 153) of male partic- ipants reported at least one experience of sexual victimization since age 16 with 5.6% reporting victimization experiences by male perpetra- tors, 48.4% by female perpetrators,"

Page 6 of this study.
http://www.apa.org/pubs/journals/features/men-13-3-243.pdf
JackBarnesMRA
I didn't lie.
JackBarnesMRA
Here is another article on the subject.

http://mobile.rawstory.com/all/2014-05-02-mens-rights-activists-dispute-womans-copyright-claim-over-ex-husbands-suicide-note#1
westsideblues1
oh mike didn't you know ??

the true age of his daughter is wrapped in mystery... he keep forever changing her birth date.

at one point he said she was menstruating (that was nearly 2 years ago)
westsideblues1
Didn't ya knowjack Boy i s locked and loaded waiting to kill feminist.

and if he should miss killing one, he said his wife is also a good shot!!!DUH!!!!
westsideblues1
Quit frankly ,I don't see anything that Jackass says is about feminist.

he uses *feminist* as a front to hate!
westsideblues1
yea ,you wait and see, they will be crying about how feminist made them install diaper changing stalls, in men's bathrooms!! lol
westsideblues1
of course he is locked and loaded!! he has to be with the threats he has made in the last 3 years !!!

him posting his ugly mug of a pic, with him wearing 1970s john Denver glasses, up on the WWW he thought he would become famous!!! duh!!!

not!!

all he has done is endanger himself and his family so he has to be locked and loaded to kill.... since he has made life threatening comments over the last 3 years to many women here on e/p.
westsideblues1
what's wrong jack boy its Saturday and you cant find your rubber panties ?
westsideblues1
a pinko is ...>>.One who believes in peace, order, and appeasement.
westsideblues1
SocksukerJ jack now be a good little socksuker and go home to ur family
Mikemcneil · 61-69, M
I thought she was 12??
Mikemcneil · 61-69, M
The estate just means the money he left behind when he died. It's not about anything other than that. It could amount to a few hundred dollars? Anyway she was using that as a way to claim his blog entries were part of that "estate" and she therefore had the right to shut his blog entries down.

He was employed in a high powered job as a real estate broker when they seperated. He claims to have ended up jobless and homeless but I think that should be taken with a pinch of salt. He also claimed the child support demands had "financially raped" him. To me that's because he didn't want to pay child support. The guy obviously had mebtal health problems and needed better support than he got. AVFM are just dragging his corpse through town to make their own twisted point. It's wrong!
Mikemcneil · 61-69, M
You talked about "sexual victimization". That's not rape, it's everything.

So that proves nothing, does it.

Lest's stick to rape and rape only .