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The father of a German exchange student shot dead in Montana after he trespassed in a man's garage has said the US cannot continue to "play cowboy" with firearms.

Markus Kaarma has been charged with deliberate murder in the Sunday killing of Diren Dede, 17, of Hamburg.

But he says Montana's self-defence law allowed him to shoot the boy.

Celal Dede said he would not have allowed his son to study in the US had he been aware of the lenient gun laws.

"I didn't think for one night that everyone here can kill somebody just because that person entered his back yard," Mr Dede told the German news agency dpa.
Pressure authorities

Mr Dede returned to Germany from Montana on Thursday after securing the release of his son's body, a German consulate spokeswoman said.

The son of a family of Turkish immigrants to Germany, Diren was attending Big Sky High School in Missoula, Montana, for one year as part of an exchange program.

Diren, known in Hamburg for his football skills, had only six weeks left in the programme.
This undated still image taken from video shows Markus Kaarma at his home in Missoula, Montana Markus Kaarma was released on $30,000 bond while he awaits trial on the murder charge

Mr Kaarma, a 29-year-old firefighter, has told investigators his home had twice been hit by burglars, and he told a hair stylist he had waited up at night to shoot intruders, prosecutors said.

On the night of the shooting, Mr Kaarma and his partner Janelle Pflager left their garage door open, and Ms Pflager left her purse in the garage in order to bait intruders, she told police.

They set up motion sensors and a video monitor, prosecutors said.

When the sensors went off just after midnight and they saw a man on the monitor screen, Mr Kaarma went outside and fired a shotgun into the garage without warning several times.

It is unclear what the teenager was doing inside in the garage.

Mr Kaarma's lawyer said his client planned to plead not guilty.

The state allows residents to protect their homes with deadly force when they believe they are going to be harmed, said his lawyer, Paul Ryan.

"We know with no question the individual entered the garage," Mr Ryan said. "Kaarma didn't know who he was, his intent or whether he was armed."

He said that there had been a spate of break-ins in the neighbourhood and Mr Kaarma did not think the police were doing anything about them.
'Castle doctrine' defence

The suspect was released on $30,000 (£17,800) bond, and has remained in his home.

Montana's so-called "castle doctrine" law was amended in 2009 to allow deadly force if a homeowner "reasonably believes" an intruder is trying to harm him or her.

Before that, residents could only use such force if the intruder acted in a violent way. The legislation was backed by the US' largest gun lobby, the National Rifle Association (NRA).

State Representative Ellie Hill told the Missoulian newspaper she has proposed legislation to repeal the 2009 amendments to the law.

"What the castle doctrine has done in this country is it has created a culture of gun violence and vigilante justice," Ms Hill, a Democrat who represents Missoula, said.

"And it's created a culture that it's okay to shoot first and ask questions later."


This is cold blooded and pre-meditated murder. I hope this idiot gets the death penalty!
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JackBarnesMRA
Asian. For months you have been making accusations about kids pictures and youtube. For months I have asked you to provide evidence to back up you accusations. You have yet to provide even the smallest spread of evidence.
Your a liar.

"Blah blah blah they hate women blah blah blah."
Yawn.
This is the typical feminist tactic. When you mindless harpies can't argue against what we have to say you scream "misogyny." It's very entertaining an illustrative of just exactly what the feminist movement really is.

You can't silence us. We will never stop. You can't beat us. The MRM and the antifeminist movement is too big. There are too many people speaking out against feminism. There is no going back.

Yep. I have been focusing on rape a lot lately. It's the last feminist sacred cow. Once it is dead feminism will be in its death throws.

It's only a matter of time.
Mikemcneil · 61-69, M
You still refuse to admit you can't add up Jack. Rape isn't a problem caused by woman. Men have to take responsibility for that. Only men can "kill" rape because 99 percent of all convicted rapists are men. Men need to change, men need to respect women but the MRM thinks only hatred for women is the way forward. Ever felt like a dinosaur? Prepare to become extinct!
JackBarnesMRA
Blaming an entire group for the actions of a few sounds familiar. Oh yeah that right. That is what racists do.
Which one of us is a dinosaur?

Saying that women aren't angelic creatures but are human is hatred of women? Saying that sexual assault is perpatraited by both men and women is hatred of women?
You don't want people to see women and men as equals. You want people to see women as you see them, as your superior.
Mikemcneil · 61-69, M
Why do you talk about "racist"? Trying to deflect criticism at all? I am not racist and nothing I have ever said on EP can be described as "racist".

I don't think women are "angelic creatures". I do think men and women deserve to be treated equally. Sexual assault is perpetrated by both men and women, but believing that men and women are equally to blame for rape is completely ridiculous and you know it!

A ridiculous set of insults even coming from an idiot like you, Jackie boy!
JackBarnesMRA
Racism and sexism are both discrimination based on a biological characteristic. Saying men are responsible for rape is the same as saying blacks are responsible for theft. It's bigotry.
You will not except the fact that women commit far more than 1% of sexual assaults even when presented with studies showing women to have committed a large portion of sexual assaults. This shows that you are driven by an ideological bias not facts. This shows you to be driven by an ideological bias against men. This shows you to be a sexist and a bigot. In other words a feminist.
Mikemcneil · 61-69, M
So I am working on idealogically biased statistics?

I am not just talking about sexual assaults. I am specifically talking about rape. When talking about rape 99 percent of convicted rapists are male. That's a fact. Rape is a male problem, no matter what you say. You want to set all rapists free. You never want to convict any male rapists. You refuse to believe they get a fair trial. You believe that just as many women "rape" men as men rape women. You are living in a world of hate towards women. You do not believe in equal rights.

And can you stop trying to fudge stuff by bringing "blacks" into it. You keep doing that. I think you are racist as well. Rape and theft are two completely different crimes. Concentrate on the matter in hand, if you can.

I believe in equality. I don't favour one sex over the over. You have a deep hatred of women. You like to explain it by attacking "feminists" .....but really you hate all women.
JackBarnesMRA
Your seeing the world through ideological tinted glasses.
Mikemcneil · 61-69, M
Is that the best you can do?

I want to prevent crimes against both sexes. You obviously don't.
JackBarnesMRA
We know that far more than 1% of rapists are women. Lee have several studies showing this to be true. However when you see the 99% of people convicted of rape are male you say "rape is a male problem" instead of asking why does the conviction percentages not represent the perpetration percentages. You choose to ignore the truth.
I want anyone accused of a crime to receive a fair trial . We know that rape shield laws prevent relevant evidence from being admitted in courts. We know this because we have cases where it has happened.
Study after study shows that both men and women rape and that women make up a large portion of the perpetrators. To any sane rational person this would suggest that tape is not a gender issue it is a human issue. I believe that rape is a human issue, a human problem. You believe that rape is a male problem.
Who is the bigot? Who is the rape apologist?
When you say " rape is a male problem" you are ignoring female perpetrators.
By willfully ignoring female perpetrators you are treating them differently than male perpetrators. That's sexism.
You are attempting to hide the fact that female perpetrators exist . You are shifting the focus from all the perpetrators to only the male perpetrators. That is Misandry and misogyny.
You claim that I hate women because I believe in fair trials for everyone and because I know that rape is not a gender issue.
When you shift the focus away from female perpetrators your are also shifting the focus away from the victims of female perpetrators. Some of those victims are women.
When you shift the focus away from female perpetrators you are not holding them to the same level of accountability as men. That is misogyny.
You can try to distance yourself from racist all you want. You try to do so by pointing the finger at me. Neither will work. Blaming one sex for rape and blaming one race for theft is bigotry. You can try to muddy the water but it won't work.
Between the two of us the only person practicing misogyny is you. Giving women special treatment is misogyny. Trying to hide the fact that a significant portion of rapists are women is special treatment.
Mikemcneil · 61-69, M
When you come up with one good way to reduce the rape victim statistics I will listen to you.

You never do.

All you can say is a whiny"but women rape too"......

If you mention race again you are trying to deflect attention away from rape. Am I bothered how many black people rape, or how many black people are rape victims? No. I couldn't care less. Skin colour means nothing to me. You however keep going on about it. You also compare rape with theft when the two crimes have nothing in common. You repeatedly show a hatred of women, by saying it is their "fault" if they get raped. You are the gender hating bigot here Jack.
Mikemcneil · 61-69, M
Here are some big words Jack likes to use, but doesn't understand the meaning of.

Feminist
Feminism
Misogyny
Misandry
Racist
Sexism
Bigotry.

I think he gets them from Paul Elam's" Dictionary of things to say when you feel under attack."
JackBarnesMRA
Giving one group special treatment is not equality. Seeking special treatment shouldn't be a part of any group seeking equal rights.
Mikemcneil · 61-69, M
Which group gets special treatment?
JackBarnesMRA
We hold children less accountable for their actions than adults because children aren't fully realized moral agents. When you hold women less accountable than men you are removing women's moral agency. That's misogyny. Treating women as less than adults is misogyny.
JackBarnesMRA
In the case of this discussion you are giving women special treatment by not holding them to same level of accountability as men.
JackBarnesMRA
Holding one race accountable for a crime that is commited by members of all races is the same as holding one sex accountable for a crime that is commited by members of both sexes.
westsideblues1
well well well jackass you should take your own words and consider them when your trying to recruit young teenagers -13/14 years olds on this very web site e/p
westsideblues1
your seeking special treatment for men who rape !!!

LMFAO!!!!! LOL HAHAHHA
JackBarnesMRA
How?
Mikemcneil · 61-69, M
Which law holds women less accountable than men ?
Mikemcneil · 61-69, M
The law on rape is exactly the same for men and women.
Mikemcneil · 61-69, M
How are women held less accountable?
westsideblues1
oh yea if i may add to the list.

One of his favorite all time word is * cunt.*
JackBarnesMRA
You are holding them less accountable by saying rape is a male problem when women also perpetrate rape.
Mikemcneil · 61-69, M
I don't make the law. The law holds men and women equally accountable. If what you believe is true there would be an approximately equal number of rape convictions for both men and women. I think that proves your beliefs are flawed, doesn't it?

What if I said men are 100 times more likely to be convicted of rape than women are?

That's the truth. You refuse to believe that because it doesn't agree with your twisted view of the world. You don't want men to be held accountable for the rapes they commit, do you?
JackBarnesMRA
Very interesting article part of which talks about boys reporting that they were not the victim of abuse when they actually were.
http://www.avoiceformen.com/misandry/boys-raped-more-often-than-girls/
Colleges and universities are required by law to adjudicate sexual assault and rape cases that happen on thier campus outside of the legal system. The law that requires this is title IX. Title IX is anti discrimination in education legislation. Rape and sexual assault are seen as forms of discrimination against women. A lot of people view rape as something that men do to women.