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Thinkerbell · 41-45, F
Actually, it's the LA mayor and state officials who are incompetent.
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beckyromero · 36-40, F
@Thinkerbell
They may very well be incompetent.
But you can't blame a hurricane of fire on them.
Neither can they be blamed for the water pumps, lack of power, etc. Because that takes years and years of planning and construction.
But their predecessors? Yeah, blame them.
They may very well be incompetent.
But you can't blame a hurricane of fire on them.
Neither can they be blamed for the water pumps, lack of power, etc. Because that takes years and years of planning and construction.
But their predecessors? Yeah, blame them.
BohemianBabe · M
@beckyromero Plus, when people say "DEI hiring practices," they're really just blaming queer and black people.
There's plenty of things to criticize Newsom for, he's very right-wing when it comes to economics and poverty. But most of what we're going to be hearing in the media is that this was caused by minorities and probably Hunter Biden.
There's plenty of things to criticize Newsom for, he's very right-wing when it comes to economics and poverty. But most of what we're going to be hearing in the media is that this was caused by minorities and probably Hunter Biden.
beckyromero · 36-40, F
Thinkerbell · 41-45, F
@beckyromero
If the current officeholders haven't taken steps to undo the damage of negligence caused by their predecessors, resulting in a lack of controlled burns and a lack of firebreaks to mitigate the spread of wildfires, then yes, I blame the incumbents too.
https://www.newsweek.com/controlled-burns-california-forest-management-los-angeles-fires-2012492
If the current officeholders haven't taken steps to undo the damage of negligence caused by their predecessors, resulting in a lack of controlled burns and a lack of firebreaks to mitigate the spread of wildfires, then yes, I blame the incumbents too.
https://www.newsweek.com/controlled-burns-california-forest-management-los-angeles-fires-2012492
beckyromero · 36-40, F
@Thinkerbell
Sure, blame them for not coming up with solutions for the future.
But you can't create firebreaks in an urban area. What do you want to do? Blow up a few hundred homes?
Sure, blame them for not coming up with solutions for the future.
But you can't create firebreaks in an urban area. What do you want to do? Blow up a few hundred homes?
Thinkerbell · 41-45, F
@beckyromero
You cut firebreaks in the FORESTS, Becky, so that the wildfires don't get near the urban areas.
Forestry 101.
You cut firebreaks in the FORESTS, Becky, so that the wildfires don't get near the urban areas.
Forestry 101.
beckyromero · 36-40, F
@Thinkerbell
Pacific Palisades is NOT a forest. Neither is Altadena. Neither is Sylmar.
Geez Louise! Look at a map!
Geography 101.
The fire quickly spread south towards the Pacific Ocean, pushed by Santa Ana winds raging up to 80 mph.
https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2025-01-09/he-was-the-first-to-report-the-palisades-fire-hes-still-battling-to-save-his-home
This is Altadena. It's just north of Pasadena and just east of the Rose Bowl.
The "Hurst Fire" started in Sylmar.
Pacific Palisades is NOT a forest. Neither is Altadena. Neither is Sylmar.
Geez Louise! Look at a map!
Geography 101.
The fire quickly spread south towards the Pacific Ocean, pushed by Santa Ana winds raging up to 80 mph.
https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2025-01-09/he-was-the-first-to-report-the-palisades-fire-hes-still-battling-to-save-his-home
This is Altadena. It's just north of Pasadena and just east of the Rose Bowl.
The "Hurst Fire" started in Sylmar.
Thinkerbell · 41-45, F
beckyromero · 36-40, F
@Thinkerbell
I doubt you have any idea how fast an URBAN fire driven by 80 mph winds moves in an area dried out by drought.
(I know that from my own city's history, whether it was the cow knocking over the lantern that started it or not).
But, apparently, you think a bulldozer can move faster. 😂
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Hey, here's an idea. Maybe you'd like to drive a bulldozer in darkened canyons? 😂
I doubt you have any idea how fast an URBAN fire driven by 80 mph winds moves in an area dried out by drought.
(I know that from my own city's history, whether it was the cow knocking over the lantern that started it or not).
But, apparently, you think a bulldozer can move faster. 😂
[media=https://youtu.be/3lrd2jspHHA]
Hey, here's an idea. Maybe you'd like to drive a bulldozer in darkened canyons? 😂
Thinkerbell · 41-45, F
@beckyromero
And do you have evidence that the current URBAN fires in CA did NOT begin with houses catching fire from embers blown in from burning WOODED areas outside of town? Or did Mrs O'Leary and her cow move to Pacific Palisades...? 🤔
Case in point: Santa Monica ordered the mandatory evacuation of the section of town NEAREST a wooded area. (evacuated area marked red on the map in the article below; standby evacuation area marked orange)
https://smmirror.com/2025/01/breaking-news-santa-monica-has-issued-mandatory-evacuations-tonight-above-san-vincente/
And do you have evidence that the current URBAN fires in CA did NOT begin with houses catching fire from embers blown in from burning WOODED areas outside of town? Or did Mrs O'Leary and her cow move to Pacific Palisades...? 🤔
Case in point: Santa Monica ordered the mandatory evacuation of the section of town NEAREST a wooded area. (evacuated area marked red on the map in the article below; standby evacuation area marked orange)
https://smmirror.com/2025/01/breaking-news-santa-monica-has-issued-mandatory-evacuations-tonight-above-san-vincente/
beckyromero · 36-40, F
@Thinkerbell
https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2025-01-09/he-was-the-first-to-report-the-palisades-fire-hes-still-battling-to-save-his-home
News broadcasts said evacutations of Santa Monica were because of the fear of shifting winds.
Some of L.A.'s local stations put their live feed on the internet. Watching some of that is better than the national cable networks of FOX, CNN, MSNBC.
You can't build a fire break in situations like this. An urban fire is not a slow-moving grass fire on the Great Plains.
When embers are blowing a distance of over a mile, as one firefighter captain said on a news broadcast, saving lives comes first. That is why authorities literally had to use bulldosers to push adbandoned vehicles out of the way to clear streets for fire trucks.
In other areas it was reported that some drivers stuck in traffic jams were told by fire fighters to leave their vehicles immediatelty and "run" from the fast-moving blaze.
Another fire fighter said on a news broadcast that flames in some areas were reaching heights of 80 feet.
But, hey, go ahead and get into your bulldozer!
https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2025-01-09/he-was-the-first-to-report-the-palisades-fire-hes-still-battling-to-save-his-home
News broadcasts said evacutations of Santa Monica were because of the fear of shifting winds.
Some of L.A.'s local stations put their live feed on the internet. Watching some of that is better than the national cable networks of FOX, CNN, MSNBC.
You can't build a fire break in situations like this. An urban fire is not a slow-moving grass fire on the Great Plains.
When embers are blowing a distance of over a mile, as one firefighter captain said on a news broadcast, saving lives comes first. That is why authorities literally had to use bulldosers to push adbandoned vehicles out of the way to clear streets for fire trucks.
In other areas it was reported that some drivers stuck in traffic jams were told by fire fighters to leave their vehicles immediatelty and "run" from the fast-moving blaze.
Another fire fighter said on a news broadcast that flames in some areas were reaching heights of 80 feet.
But, hey, go ahead and get into your bulldozer!
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Thinkerbell · 41-45, F
@beckyromero
You're missing the point, Becky.
The firebreaks and controlled burns in wooded areas are supposed to be done BEFORE a wildfire ever breaks out. Forestry 101.
All the more evidence that these urban fires started due to wildfires in wooded areas that should have been prevented before they ever started.
"You can't build a fire break in situations like this."
You're missing the point, Becky.
The firebreaks and controlled burns in wooded areas are supposed to be done BEFORE a wildfire ever breaks out. Forestry 101.
"News broadcasts said evacutations of Santa Monica were because of the fear of shifting winds."
All the more evidence that these urban fires started due to wildfires in wooded areas that should have been prevented before they ever started.
Thinkerbell · 41-45, F
beckyromero · 36-40, F
@Thinkerbell
And you're missing the point.
That state is too big to do what you think somehow could be done.
You can't drive a bulldozer down a step canyon hillside. Well, I suppose YOU can try. I wouldn't.
And even if me and you and Americans in all the other states we live in were taxed to give enough federal money to California to create your firebreaks in the tens of thousands of areas through California were wildfires can break out (basically anywhere in the state), the result would be MUDSLIDES and floods into the urban areas.
You see, water flows DOWNHILL.
And before you say you don't want our tax dollars going to California due to their irresponsible zoning laws, I suppose Californians could say why should their tax dollars go to other states, like Florida, because of their irresponsible zoning laws? Or help us in the midwest when we have tornados and floods?
You're missing the point, Becky.
The firebreaks and controlled burns in wooded areas are supposed to be done BEFORE a wildfire ever breaks out. Forestry 101.
The firebreaks and controlled burns in wooded areas are supposed to be done BEFORE a wildfire ever breaks out. Forestry 101.
And you're missing the point.
That state is too big to do what you think somehow could be done.
You can't drive a bulldozer down a step canyon hillside. Well, I suppose YOU can try. I wouldn't.
And even if me and you and Americans in all the other states we live in were taxed to give enough federal money to California to create your firebreaks in the tens of thousands of areas through California were wildfires can break out (basically anywhere in the state), the result would be MUDSLIDES and floods into the urban areas.
You see, water flows DOWNHILL.
And before you say you don't want our tax dollars going to California due to their irresponsible zoning laws, I suppose Californians could say why should their tax dollars go to other states, like Florida, because of their irresponsible zoning laws? Or help us in the midwest when we have tornados and floods?
beckyromero · 36-40, F
@Thinkerbell
Here's a good explanation of the Santa Ana winds and the firestorms they cause.
[media=https://youtu.be/kOoL45nRgh4]
Here's a good explanation of the Santa Ana winds and the firestorms they cause.
[media=https://youtu.be/kOoL45nRgh4]
BizSuitStacy · M
@Thinkerbell and her name is Karen. Imagine that 😂
Vin53 · M
@Thinkerbell "Mayor can you explain why your 6th sense didn't allow you to see this fire happening in LA when you had your weather machines blowing the Santa Anas at blistering speeds?"
Thinkerbell · 41-45, F
@beckyromero
It will take more than a partisan Democrat mouthpiece like O'Donnell to convince any reasonable person. 🤣
Why don't you try Victor Davis Hanson? (as if we didn't know)
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Or perhaps the WashPo, for a more balanced approach?
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/la-mayor-karen-bass-faces-political-crisis-over-trip-budgets-amid-fires/ar-BB1rfQZy
You don't need to do every acre of forest in the whole state, Becky. 🙄
There are about 500 municipalities in California; a belt of a mile or two of proper forest management about each place that needs it would go a long way towards preventing the sort of catastrophe that is now happening.
It will take more than a partisan Democrat mouthpiece like O'Donnell to convince any reasonable person. 🤣
Why don't you try Victor Davis Hanson? (as if we didn't know)
[media=https://youtu.be/kNU3v-yRTOo]
Or perhaps the WashPo, for a more balanced approach?
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/la-mayor-karen-bass-faces-political-crisis-over-trip-budgets-amid-fires/ar-BB1rfQZy
"That state is too big to do what you think somehow could be done."
You don't need to do every acre of forest in the whole state, Becky. 🙄
There are about 500 municipalities in California; a belt of a mile or two of proper forest management about each place that needs it would go a long way towards preventing the sort of catastrophe that is now happening.
beckyromero · 36-40, F
@Thinkerbell
There are 33 million acres of forests in California.
That's just a few million acres short of the ENTIRE STATE of Illinois.
But, get on your bulldozer and head on out there.
There are 33 million acres of forests in California.
That's just a few million acres short of the ENTIRE STATE of Illinois.
But, get on your bulldozer and head on out there.
Thinkerbell · 41-45, F
@beckyromero
Try reading next time, Becky.
I just got through explaining how only
a fraction of the forests in Cali need attention. 🙄
Try reading next time, Becky.
I just got through explaining how only
a fraction of the forests in Cali need attention. 🙄
beckyromero · 36-40, F
@Thinkerbell
Oh, I get it. You will just let all the homes of people who actually LIVE in those forests that don't meet your criteria go up in smoke.
According to the California Legislature's Legislative Analyst's Office:
Those 12.5 millions acres is a size larger than Massachusetts and New Hampshire combined.
The Camp Fire in 2018, north of Sacramento, killed 85 people. Would Paradise be on your list for protection?
Nearly a quarter of Californians live or work in a high fire-risk zone.
Oh, I get it. You will just let all the homes of people who actually LIVE in those forests that don't meet your criteria go up in smoke.
According to the California Legislature's Legislative Analyst's Office:
Private nonindustrial entities own about one‑quarter (8 million acres) acres of forestland. These include families, individuals, conservation and natural resource organizations, and Native American tribes. Industrial owners—primarily timber companies—own 14 percent (4.5 million acres) of forestland.
.Those 12.5 millions acres is a size larger than Massachusetts and New Hampshire combined.
The Camp Fire in 2018, north of Sacramento, killed 85 people. Would Paradise be on your list for protection?
Nearly a quarter of Californians live or work in a high fire-risk zone.
beckyromero · 36-40, F
@Thinkerbell
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laguna_Fire_(1993)
Think your bulldozer could have stopped that fire? Burning at 100 acres per minute, with flames reaching up to 200 feet in height?
How many miles per gallon do you get on that thing anyway? Gas prices in California aren't exactly cheap.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laguna_Fire_(1993)
Think your bulldozer could have stopped that fire? Burning at 100 acres per minute, with flames reaching up to 200 feet in height?
How many miles per gallon do you get on that thing anyway? Gas prices in California aren't exactly cheap.
Thinkerbell · 41-45, F
@beckyromero
Hmm... first you post a YouTube clip where MSNBC's O'Donnell goes on and on about how impossible it is to do ANYTHING about the Cali wildfires, and then you complain that my common-sense plan won't cover EVERYTHING. 🙄
"Curiouser and curiouser," said Alice. 🙄 🙄

Yes, indeed, Becky.
FYI, here is the specific list of the approximately 5000 CA municipalities I had in mind above. Paradise is on it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_municipalities_in_California
And Laguna is on that list as well.
And speaking of Laguna, from your reference:
"Prior to the Laguna Fire and the other concurrent wildfires in Southern California, there had been six years of drought conditions. These were followed by a wet winter in 1992–1993, which let grass and brush grow before it dried again in the hot summer of 1993. This left much dead and dry vegetation to burn.[3][2]:2 A proposed controlled burn to reduce the built-up fuels several years earlier had never been carried out." [boldface added]
And it seems that nothing significant has been done
in that regard in the 30-odd years since. 🙄 🙄 🙄
And no, my bulldozer would not have stopped the Laguna fire once it started, but state and local officials might have prevented it before it started, if they had been even remotely competent.
P.S. Do try to bring your floundering arguments at least up to the level of your AI creation, which was pretty good. 🤭
"Oh, I get it. You will just let all the homes of people who actually LIVE in those forests that don't meet your criteria go up in smoke."
Hmm... first you post a YouTube clip where MSNBC's O'Donnell goes on and on about how impossible it is to do ANYTHING about the Cali wildfires, and then you complain that my common-sense plan won't cover EVERYTHING. 🙄
"Curiouser and curiouser," said Alice. 🙄 🙄

"The Camp Fire in 2018, north of Sacramento, killed 85 people. Would Paradise be on your list for protection?"
Yes, indeed, Becky.
FYI, here is the specific list of the approximately 5000 CA municipalities I had in mind above. Paradise is on it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_municipalities_in_California
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laguna_Fire_(1993)
"Think your bulldozer could have stopped that fire?"
"Think your bulldozer could have stopped that fire?"
And Laguna is on that list as well.
And speaking of Laguna, from your reference:
"Prior to the Laguna Fire and the other concurrent wildfires in Southern California, there had been six years of drought conditions. These were followed by a wet winter in 1992–1993, which let grass and brush grow before it dried again in the hot summer of 1993. This left much dead and dry vegetation to burn.[3][2]:2 A proposed controlled burn to reduce the built-up fuels several years earlier had never been carried out." [boldface added]
And it seems that nothing significant has been done
in that regard in the 30-odd years since. 🙄 🙄 🙄
And no, my bulldozer would not have stopped the Laguna fire once it started, but state and local officials might have prevented it before it started, if they had been even remotely competent.
P.S. Do try to bring your floundering arguments at least up to the level of your AI creation, which was pretty good. 🤭
beckyromero · 36-40, F
@Thinkerbell
Wel, I did make sure your outfit was the correct color.
What's your plan for the inevitable mudslides that will take place when it does eventually rain?
at least up to the level of your AI creation, which was pretty good.
Wel, I did make sure your outfit was the correct color.
What's your plan for the inevitable mudslides that will take place when it does eventually rain?
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