Boris Johnson got turned away from his polling station as he had no ID

@SunshineGirl sure is nice to have a nice story. Kinda bland and predictable tho. The talking heads should at least write something interesting.

How about something like:

Once upon a time tommy tutone went to temptation station. He bordered a plain train to splain.

Sprained his brain from straining his "I's" before awarding himself the prize as all reeding his rainboe watching shooshows complied and their hopes arised.

He's bugged and breaked too wise in his own to hear anyone cry, he surmised. "Besides, the sky," he says. And as the mcdormandy private jet fleet lands at the skib bummity to meet. They beat their feet to meet and greet. Mutuality approvality partially pleasurable a-probbable approbated bile is assured.

To be announced succintly cessfully over the chorus of choreographs of deceit and takes another ceed to complete. Another lizwardian well treated defeat.

And went back later for his ID.

-30-

@SunshineGirl so funny my neighbour is a lady in her 60s. She has always voted Tory she told me but she has neigh her a driving licence or a passport. She didn't vote Thursday as she shrugged and said to me "Clearly they don't need my vote if they're making it so bloody hard". Seems a dumb move by a party who's majority of supporters are older generations.

@KatyO83 How does she claim insurance take credit make deposits or qualify to claim inheritances is a fair question.

You should ask her that. Also how she knows the party line falls according to age groups. Also why thinks she a political party stakes its future on people with one foot in the grave.

Must be going on rumors in my opinion.

@KatyO83 My wife tried to use her hospital security pass, which has a much more recent and clearer photo than her driving licence, but because it was not on the list of approved documents she was turned away.

@SteelHands there is no requirement to have government id in this country.

I come over this in my job. Normally people produce a birth certificate and a bill at current address. We'll accept that as proof but the government insisted on photo id for voting.

Alternatively a solicitor will give proof document for a small cost normally too. You just have to convince them if they don't know you or they will take an affidavit from another professional.

I'm often dealing with youngsters of 18 and have same problem.

@KatyO83 Unless she's being held against her will inside her home it's an hours work at most. I would think to obtain one no matter where you are in the west is so easy that to think of why she doesn't would arouse possible concern and or maybe suspicion rather than sympathy.

Over the years I've met a few that go without. Not the type of course, I would vouch for tho and certainly had more in common with the ones that carried multiple identities than an honest bloke ought.

@SteelHands what? She can't drive how's that a hours work it would cost her hundreds to learn and a passport application is £100 for no reason but for this? Nonsense whole thing.

The government is simply trying to disenfranchise the poor.

@SteelHands The Tories opposed national ID on the grounds that it restricted freedom and looked too similar to European schemes. They then decided to exploit fear about voter fraud on the basis of very limited evidence to come up with this scheme that is even more intrusive and is eroding democratic choice. Assuming that everyone has a driving licence or passport (especially the young) is bizarre, to say the least.

@KatyO83 Non driver license IDs are not still issued for a small fee as they've always been?

They used to issue county by county and now they're going either province or nationwide and it's still only a few bucks and your birth cert plus recently postmarked mail as proof.

I've seen people interviewed that felt insulted when asked if they found it difficult to get one so when I hear stories about someone unable to endure a so called hardship of obtaining it I'm skeptical. Very skeptical.

@SunshineGirl Not wanting to possess officially recognized proof of Identity is bizzare to say the least as its a requirement for almost any substantial economic provision or participation from my experience.

Buying anything with a loan, obtaining property in a legal recovery situation, insuring valuables, making and closing a family connection in a will. Youth should know that they need this in a modern society.

@SteelHands I want a national ID card that freely available to all registered citizens. Using a driving licence or a passport as a proxy for an unrelated purpose is bizarre and inefficient in my opinion.

@SunshineGirl Given a choice of course, everyone wants everything to be free of charge as well.

There is just one little problem with the idea that governments can just create gigantic administrative systems to give away free things.

Governments don't actually produce anything to sell that generate money and must tax those that generate income to cover the actual costs and wages it takes to manage those bureaucracies, print and file systems, etc.

Systems thus, die suddenly when everyone gets a free ID , voting themselves bigger free incomes and fewer and fewer actually working to pay the sky high taxes that get even higher to the stage that working makes no sense.

This is already where we nearly are ofc. That's why we need to at least stop the dead from voting.

@SteelHands Yes, I know how it would be funded. The real issue though is that there is no evidence of significant voter fraud in the UK and no need to require ID in the first place . . just another idea thoughtlessly borrowed from the USA by a tired conservative government.

@SteelHands are you talking UK?

Just give us a national I'd card at 18. Be so much bloody easier

@SunshineGirl not having ID is "inconvenient"?

and how well does that excuse work when you drive through a traffic stop/license check, buy alcohol/tobacco, apply for a job, or the hundreds of other things that require ID that are perfectly acceptable?

@wildbill83 Well if I am driving then obviously a licence is mandatory. Applying for a job usually requires a higher level of diligence than just waving a photo around. And buying alcohol/tobacco is hardly comparable with exercising your democratic rights as a citizen 🤷‍♀️

@SunshineGirl

How is it inconvient to have ID ?

how is it NOT democratic ?

Just because you can't find the evidence of fraud doesn't mean it isn't happening

@pdockal A passport costs around £100. A driving licence much more if we take into account the investment in tution. The more important issue however is that these are not mandatory documents, they are designed for specific and limited purposes, and you should not need to be a driver or overseas traveller in order to exercise your democratic rights.

Your comment about evidence not being needed seems a recipe for government over reach . . 🤔

@SunshineGirl

Every citizen should have the proper documentation regardless where they are from so i don't see the issue

I've had a driver's license since 16 & passport from about 30

Non drivers ID are available from the DMV

MOST normal people WANT voter ID

funny that people walking around with $800+ iphones claim that they can't afford a $15 ID...🤔

@wildbill83 🤦🏼‍♀️

She's on a pension. She does not have a fancy phone. And it ain't £15 it's £100 for a passport.

@SunshineGirl A gun licence isn't acceptable either as, accordng to the officals at the polling station, "there are no checks on the ID of the person they're issued to." SMH.

@wildbill83 We would be lucky if phones were that cheap over here. Over £1,000 for one now (that's more in dollars). IDs are not 15 here, we don't just sell IDs. Passports are £100 now and driver's licence is well... a good couple hundred pounds, plus passing tests. 🤣