I wish the uk was communist as no state or monarchy would exist

@hippyjoe1955 communism has never been established. It advocates for common ownership of the means of production, class division being abolished and a society without a state

@hippyjoe1955 Don't you know? They say that it just has not been done right.

They all know how to do it right. Because they are young, and have very little
life experience. They all believe you can have it all, by doing very little,
under communism.

@Guitarman123 A horse designed by commies.

@sunsporter1649 cute

@Guitarman123 ...and a partridge in a pear tree

@SW-User bit early to sing Christmas songs

@DogMan baseless nonsense

@Guitarman123 So you imagine a system that you can't define and can't find an example because you think it is utopia. How very droll.

@hippyjoe1955 I've just defined it. Workers owning the means of production, no class division or a state

@hippyjoe1955

@Guitarman123 so you want the workers to be capitalists? They would be the owners which by definition is capital.

@hippyjoe1955 capitalists own private property that exploits the workers through a hierarchy. Common ownership is where workers run the business equally with no hierarchy

@Guitarman123 so you want the workers to be capitalists? They own the capital which is the means of production. A farmer therefore must own his farm. A factory worker must own the factory.

@hippyjoe1955 capitalists are against workers owning the means of production

@Guitarman123 Capitalists are about making a living. They need to hire people in order to run their business. Capital simply means something of value. If you own the means of production on the farm you must own the farm. A farm is a capital asset. To quote a famous economist. "If a socialist/communist understood economics they would not be a socialist communist". So let's go one step farther. Who will determine who 'owns' what?

@hippyjoe1955 capitalists are about making profits and surplus value through exploiting workers because they have less money so are willing to do the harder work for at best a living wage. Workers owning the means of production ends that exploitive system as all own the business equally. Socialists aren't against making money, they are against making money at the expense of others who are less fortunate

@Guitarman123 What is wrong with making surpluses? It is called laying aside for a rainy day. If you have nothing to fall back on you have nothing to fall back on when hard times hit and hard times will always hit.

@Guitarman123 Who da boss in your workers paradise?

@sunsporter1649 workers themselves

@hippyjoe1955 it's called being greedy by making more money than you actually need.

@Guitarman123 So when one of them decides to take a month off so he can suntan he should be supported?

@Guitarman123 And to think you buy into that. Amusing

@Guitarman123 Define greed.

@hippyjoe1955 you mean paid holiday? Yes absolutely, I've currently being on paid time off

@Guitarman123 So why should all the other workers have to pay for the 'vacation' they are not getting?