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"Chuck it in the fire". What are the economic consequences if America dishonors the national debt, like France is planning?



Photo above - a 100 quintillion banknote (a 1 with 20 zeroes after it), issued by the government of Hungary in 1946, after socialists and communists seized power.

Your personal share of the $40 trillion US national debt is $100,000. Make that $350,000 if you’re the sole breadwinner for an average family. When and how do you plan to repay? Maybe this is why we can't afford to buy houses?

Socialist pundits in America have been claiming there's an easy solution – just double the taxes on corporations. Unfortunately, companies probably would just jack up prices to cover this tax hike, leaving us holding the bag. Or relocate overseas, to places like Europe, where corporate taxes are already much lower.

Will 2028 progressive candidates in America try to pull the same stunt France is considering? Just cancel the national debt. Stop repaying it. Will this mean there's a bunch of extra money for things like welfare, free healthcare, government-built housing, free bus/subway/train fare, subsidized supermarkets, and free college for everyone?

France is the canary in the coal mine. If they get away with their cute little debt cancellation scheme, this will be a realtime experiment to see if nations get punished for refusing to repay their debts. Punished with ungodly high interest rates, or a complete lack of borrowing ability, or hyperinflation, or all 3 at once. The outcome should probably inform America on how to choose our own 2028 candidates.

It’s unclear if US politicians – either democratic socialists of America, republicans, democrats, or libertarians – have any understanding of the economics. The consequences refusing to repay US treasury bonds. Bondholders include US banks, US citizens like you and me, nations like Saudi Arabia and China. Stop cheering - it’s okay to hate Saudi Arabia and China, but not to simply repudiate all our global monetary obligations overnight.

Cancelling the national debt doesn’t unleash a bunch of money for new spending. We’re already spending trillions more each year than we collect in taxes. The most likely outcome of debt repudiation is that there will be interest rates so high that NOBODY can get a mortgage. And draconian US budget cuts because nobody will buy US treasury bills again in our lifetime.

Federal budget cuts likely mean massive unemployment, hunger, and homelessness, in case we haven’t thought that far ahead. France clearly hasn’t.

The French presidential candidate drawing so much attention is Jean-Luc Melenchon, former communist party member and 3-time socialist presidential candidate. Don’t laugh – he unexpectedly came in in 2022..

Imagine the attention certain American politicians are giving France right now. NYC mayor Mamdani. BA in “African Studies”, socialist, and former rapper. Democratic Socialist Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (AOC). Socialist without adjectives Bernie Sanders. Politicians who might say anything to get elected. Look at how this worked for Trump.

We know how NYC recently voted. This was in part a reaction to an economy that doesn't work for millions. How will nervous voters across the nation pull the lever during the next presidential election?

If you want to buy a house, get a credit card, or already have a 401K account, the outcome might matter to you.

I’m just sayin’ . . .



'Chuck it in the fire.' A leading candidate in France’s presidential race has a simple solution to its massive national debt: just cancel it
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yeah, the copier paper you have in your printer will be worth more than the currency.
swirlie · 31-35, F
If the US cancels their national debt, the US dollar will plummet to zero-worth.

That said, it will be the countries in addition to private investors that hold US treasure bills who will be left holding the bag, which means those investors will be the losers. That is why anyone who currently holds US treasure bills should be dumping them as fast as they can and while they still can still cash-out their investment in a rapidly devaluing, rapidly failing US currency.
SusanInFlorida · 31-35, F
@swirlie i can see hyperinflation. but no currency actually ever goes to zero. i believe the russian ruble is actually at 1/2 cent . . . ?
swirlie · 31-35, F
@SusanInFlorida
A former US currency called the "Continental" of 1781, devalued to zero and the American Confederate currency of 1865 also devalued to zero... and that's just in the USA.

The same thing has happened in Germany, Hungary, Venezuela in 2010, plus hundreds of other world currencies have devalued to zero (zero buying power) in the last 150 years alone.

The reason the US Continental of 1781 devalued to zero was because the US had no gold or silver to backup their currency, which is exactly the same position the US is in today following Nixon's decision of removing the gold standard for the US Dollar during his time as POTUS.

Absolutely nothing backs up the value of the US Dollar today, in addition to there being no legitimate reason for investors to invest in the USA since nothing of substance is actually made in the US or exported from the USA.
wildbill83 · 41-45, M
being that around 60% of France's debt is owned by foreign investors, it would be literal suicide for them. Financial Institutions/banks, etc. would essentially red flag them and refuse to deal with them; defense contractors, companies, etc. dealing with them would jack up their interest rates to unheard of levels; and I'd imagine that any country that took a significant loss as a result would tariff the shit out of anything coming out of France (not to mention raise shipping/docking fees for anything originating in France)

They'd become a 3rd world country overnight....
SusanInFlorida · 31-35, F
@wildbill83 most nations' debt is owed to external bond buyers. the USA is especially vulnerable, as we positionn ourselves as the worlds reserve currency, and first option for international trade.

china and it's 17 cent yuan believe they are the worlds most desireable currency
FloorGenAdm · 51-55, M
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