Egg01 · 56-60, F
This sounds like personal beef...
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SumKindaMunster · 56-60, M
@Egg01 It was about politics.
Egg01 · 56-60, F
@SumKindaMunster ah now I understand a bit better, a very divisive topic...
SumKindaMunster · 56-60, M
@Egg01 Indeed. One of the most divisive.
Mindful · 56-60, F
I don't think I'm either, I'm more of a listener? I am not a skilled debater. So I know I need to listen or read about issues if I'm bothered by them. I'm not one who demeans others either. But I do notice those who are demeaning to others "virtue" rather than stating facts. They get angry when presented with contrary opinions or facts. I notice that. What I feel disqualifies me the most is that I can see two opposing people who are tied to their beliefs whether it's fact based or not. I prefer facts, I do believe --Facts do lead to people drawing conclusions. Ideally two people having a discussion/debate would both be using facts to support their ideas. Ideally, listeners would be able to make decisions based on what they morally feel about the facts. Ideally both "debating" parties would still respect differences. I am less of a debater because I don't have "facts" to quote. But I try not to blow off or demean others just because I disagree with them. If I had a strong memory, and strong oral skills, thicker skin, I would choose to be a debator.
SumKindaMunster · 56-60, M
@Mindful I really appreciate this thoughtful and considerate response. Thank you.
4meAndyou · F
Virtue signaler.
Because I have TRIED discussion with far left wing liberals on this site...REALLY gave it my best shot...and became utterly and completely exhausted. It was like being talked to death by someone who was fundamentally WRONG, and the winner was the one who could last the longest. It was NEVER me.
To my shame, I ended up blocking the worst of them. I can't even PRETEND that I want a good discussion anymore, with someone who disagrees. Yes, I have heard all the yada-yada-yada about echo chambers...but I am too damned TIRED for all of that.
I DO listen to opinions opposite mine, on the news...but thank GOD I don't have to engage with those people.
Because I have TRIED discussion with far left wing liberals on this site...REALLY gave it my best shot...and became utterly and completely exhausted. It was like being talked to death by someone who was fundamentally WRONG, and the winner was the one who could last the longest. It was NEVER me.
To my shame, I ended up blocking the worst of them. I can't even PRETEND that I want a good discussion anymore, with someone who disagrees. Yes, I have heard all the yada-yada-yada about echo chambers...but I am too damned TIRED for all of that.
I DO listen to opinions opposite mine, on the news...but thank GOD I don't have to engage with those people.
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4meAndyou · F
@SumKindaMunster Well, sometimes, as I've noticed with various friends of mine, they get a little angry...and then they DO have all sorts of fun baiting the idiots and calling them names. 🤭🤭🤭
BuzzedLightyear · 61-69, M
I'm a master debater.
Mindful · 56-60, F
@BuzzedLightyear I can't believe THAT caught me off gaurd and made me laugh today!!! I bet you're pleased with yourself. Oh, and Don't DM for responding!
BuzzedLightyear · 61-69, M
@Mindful 😏
Softy1 · M
A little bit of both lol
carpediem · M
I’ve always said there are only two types of people in the world. Deal makers and deal breakers. Now I need to consider this alternative 🤔
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Justmeraeagain · 56-60, F
I don't really debate much I say what I believe in and if people don't agree with it that's their prerogative.
That doesn't mean I won't listen to other ideas and facts trump whatever I believe.
Too many people think an opinion equals a fact.
That's happened a long time and so I'm not surprised by it, but what I'm increasingly surprised with is when you state a fact with no religious or political language attached to it people start to fight with you on religious and political grounds.
They imagine you're on the opposite side of the political debate even when you declared no political opinion whatsoever.
That doesn't mean I won't listen to other ideas and facts trump whatever I believe.
Too many people think an opinion equals a fact.
That's happened a long time and so I'm not surprised by it, but what I'm increasingly surprised with is when you state a fact with no religious or political language attached to it people start to fight with you on religious and political grounds.
They imagine you're on the opposite side of the political debate even when you declared no political opinion whatsoever.
It is very spiritually truncating because the person spends their time hitting their virtue button all the time.
This makes them blind to the need for personal growth.
This makes them blind to the need for personal growth.
ArishMell · 70-79, M
So, basically, "virtue signallers" are narcissists; and no brighter than they should be?
I like to think I can debate, to try to understand the other's point of view; though of course I do have strong views on some things.
I like to think I can debate, to try to understand the other's point of view; though of course I do have strong views on some things.
SumKindaMunster · 56-60, M
@ArishMell Yes, I consider you a debater.
ArishMell · 70-79, M
@SumKindaMunster Thankyou!
SunshineGirl · 36-40, F
How do you decide who is a "virtue signaller"?
The two posts you recently made about the families of former American presidents did not obviously invite debate.
The two posts you recently made about the families of former American presidents did not obviously invite debate.
SumKindaMunster · 56-60, M
@SunshineGirl I believe I answered that question through the post. It's a behavior.
All my posts can be debated. I welcome SINCERE and RELEVANT responders.
All my posts can be debated. I welcome SINCERE and RELEVANT responders.
SunshineGirl · 36-40, F
@SumKindaMunster I found your rhetorical style difficult to engage with. I assumed it was inviting no contrary opinion. I also note that you dismissed one detailed response to the points made in your Clinton post by suggesting that the author was flawed in "believing" the Clinton narrative. In fact he did a pretty good job of analysing the half-truths that you posted and more importantly substantiated his opinions with evidence . . which you certainly did not do.
SumKindaMunster · 56-60, M
@SunshineGirl As usual you view such things through your lens of personal bias.
Ontheroad really didn't substantiate his rebuttal with links to prove his points, all he did was provide his personal opinion on the matter. It's not surprising to me that you did not see that. He regurgitated what you already believe so it was easy for you to agree. He challenged me to make my own posts, because apparently, I was annoying him by rebutting his posts. I did so, he lamely responded to one of them, one time, and then moved on.
Speaking of personal opinion, when you gonna dive in and participate?
I see you flitting around my posts and profiles like a shy little butterfly, providing personal observations about my character and behavior, but certainly no interest in engaging relevantly.
You are a virtue signaler, not a debater.
https://similarworlds.com/politics/5619099-The-difference-between-a-debater-and-a-virtue-signaller
Ontheroad really didn't substantiate his rebuttal with links to prove his points, all he did was provide his personal opinion on the matter. It's not surprising to me that you did not see that. He regurgitated what you already believe so it was easy for you to agree. He challenged me to make my own posts, because apparently, I was annoying him by rebutting his posts. I did so, he lamely responded to one of them, one time, and then moved on.
Speaking of personal opinion, when you gonna dive in and participate?
I see you flitting around my posts and profiles like a shy little butterfly, providing personal observations about my character and behavior, but certainly no interest in engaging relevantly.
You are a virtue signaler, not a debater.
https://similarworlds.com/politics/5619099-The-difference-between-a-debater-and-a-virtue-signaller















