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The difference between a debater and a virtue signaller

I am a debater.

When I engage a virtue signaler, I am always taken back by their complete disinterest in discussing or having their points challenged.

Here are the differences: (and yes I wrote this all by myself)

Virtue signalers are not interested in debating their points. They've already debated it in their mind, and they have come to the conclusion(s) they state.

They are not interested in being challenged on this. They have spoken and have expressed their virtues. They are letting you know where they stand, and they are not interested in hearing information that contradicts what they have chosen to believe.

What virtue signalers ARE interested in is having their virtues agreed with and flattered. They want to hear from people who agree. They want people to tell them how smart, wise and moral they are. They want to be told how special they are, as they are the true chosen people of the world. They believe everyone should listen to them and do what they tell them to do.

Debaters want to be challenged. They want to hear other viewpoints, then determine if they should consider that viewpoint, or if they want to challenge it with other ideas or thoughts. They want to hash out the issue and then come to a conclusion, regardless if it is in agreement.

Virtue signalers want to be praised. They want like minded people to agree with them.

Debaters don't care about that, they want to be challenged and challenge others on their beliefs.

Virtue signalers believe they are smarter and better than those with whom they disagree.

Virtue signalers speak down to people who don't agree with them. They demean and degrade them as unworthy, for they do not share the same virtues as a signaler.

Debaters challenge those to prove their points when they don't agree with them. They then take that information and consider it, and accept or reject it accordingly. They don't care about a person's morality; they care about facts and information.

Virtue signalers ignore any information that doesn't line up with what they already believe. They are suspicious of things they disagree with. They find it easier to go along with the crowd, and want to be accepted by the mainstream.

Debaters don't care about how they are perceived, they want to understand and learn.

Are you a debater or a virtue signaler?
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Mindful · 56-60, F
I don't think I'm either, I'm more of a listener? I am not a skilled debater. So I know I need to listen or read about issues if I'm bothered by them. I'm not one who demeans others either. But I do notice those who are demeaning to others "virtue" rather than stating facts. They get angry when presented with contrary opinions or facts. I notice that. What I feel disqualifies me the most is that I can see two opposing people who are tied to their beliefs whether it's fact based or not. I prefer facts, I do believe --Facts do lead to people drawing conclusions. Ideally two people having a discussion/debate would both be using facts to support their ideas. Ideally, listeners would be able to make decisions based on what they morally feel about the facts. Ideally both "debating" parties would still respect differences. I am less of a debater because I don't have "facts" to quote. But I try not to blow off or demean others just because I disagree with them. If I had a strong memory, and strong oral skills, thicker skin, I would choose to be a debator.
SumKindaMunster · 56-60, M
@Mindful I really appreciate this thoughtful and considerate response. Thank you.
BuzzedLightyear · 61-69, M
I'm a master debater.
Mindful · 56-60, F
@BuzzedLightyear I can't believe THAT caught me off gaurd and made me laugh today!!! I bet you're pleased with yourself. Oh, and Don't DM for responding!
BuzzedLightyear · 61-69, M
@Mindful 😏
4meAndyou · F
Virtue signaler.

Because I have TRIED discussion with far left wing liberals on this site...REALLY gave it my best shot...and became utterly and completely exhausted. It was like being talked to death by someone who was fundamentally WRONG, and the winner was the one who could last the longest. It was NEVER me.

To my shame, I ended up blocking the worst of them. I can't even PRETEND that I want a good discussion anymore, with someone who disagrees. Yes, I have heard all the yada-yada-yada about echo chambers...but I am too damned TIRED for all of that.

I DO listen to opinions opposite mine, on the news...but thank GOD I don't have to engage with those people.
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4meAndyou · F
@SumKindaMunster Well, sometimes, as I've noticed with various friends of mine, they get a little angry...and then they DO have all sorts of fun baiting the idiots and calling them names. 🤭🤭🤭
Softy1 · M
A little bit of both lol
carpediem · M
I’ve always said there are only two types of people in the world. Deal makers and deal breakers. Now I need to consider this alternative 🤔
It is very spiritually truncating because the person spends their time hitting their virtue button all the time.

This makes them blind to the need for personal growth.
SunshineGirl · 36-40, F
How do you decide who is a "virtue signaller"?

The two posts you recently made about the families of former American presidents did not obviously invite debate.
SumKindaMunster · 56-60, M
@SunshineGirl I believe I answered that question through the post. It's a behavior.

All my posts can be debated. I welcome SINCERE and RELEVANT responders.
Egg01 · 56-60, F
This sounds like personal beef...
SumKindaMunster · 56-60, M
@Egg01 It was about politics.
Egg01 · 56-60, F
@SumKindaMunster ah now I understand a bit better, a very divisive topic...
SumKindaMunster · 56-60, M
@Egg01 Indeed. One of the most divisive.
ArishMell · 70-79, M
So, basically, "virtue signallers" are narcissists; and no brighter than they should be?

I like to think I can debate, to try to understand the other's point of view; though of course I do have strong views on some things.

 
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