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Why can’t we do this in the UK, or indeed anywhere in the West?

While the UK swelters through summer heatwaves under unimaginative, managed-decline leadership, China is building practical systems to cool its streets: mist cooling, shaded public spaces, green corridors, high-speed infrastructure, mass planning and actual public works.

Not another think-tank report. Not another consultant-led strategy.
Not a minister in rolled-up sleeves pretending to care for the cameras.
Actual intervention.

Here, we are told to adapt. Close the curtains. Drink water. Check on vulnerable neighbours. Maybe install air conditioning if you can afford the bill.

In other words, cope privately with a public failure.

The West will do almost nothing unless a profit margin is attached. That is the difference.

Where is the vision? Where is the innovation? Where is the state that builds? Britain once built reservoirs, railways, council housing, power stations, hospitals, public parks and whole new towns.

Now we cannot even cool a city street without first asking which private contractor gets the deal, which investor gets the return, and which consultancy gets paid to write the report.

There is a malaise in the political class now. They will use public money to prop up a failing private sector, underwrite corporate risk, subsidise investors, rescue broken markets and guarantee returns, but ask them to build directly for the public good and suddenly they pretend the cupboard is bare.

That is the real sickness: economic naivety dressed up as responsibility.

We are a sovereign nation that issues its own currency. Within the real restraints of labour, materials, energy, skills and inflation, we can afford to build what we need inside our own country.

The question is not whether Britain can afford public works. The question is why our leaders can only imagine public money when it is being poured into private pockets.

China sees a public problem and builds a public solution. The West sees a public problem and asks how it can be packaged, outsourced, monetised and delayed until someone makes money from it.

This is not about worshipping China. It is about asking why our own leaders have become so small, so timid, so useless, and so captured by the market that even basic public imagination now looks foreign to them.
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valentinesdaywife · 41-45, F
Great perspective
I live the the U.S and it applies just as much here!
Persephonee · 26-30, F
As I've said elsewhere I think part of the problem is the media. Politicians live in fear of the Mail (or fake twitter outrage).

More though, both the political and civil service class, like e.g. the Church (of England or Catholic, same problem) are suffering from being run oligarchy of mediocrity; where not rocking the boat is more important, and every appointing/selection/interview committee's principal fear is of hiring someone more competent or imaginative than they are. So on the whole you end up with a leadership that's not particularly incompetent, but with no imagination or ability to consider the future.

(Somehow in the case of Leo XIV the cream came to the top anyway but he's rather the exception across church[es] and state at the moment. Either that or another good reason for everyone to be a Catholic lol).
ArishMell · 70-79, M
You can't expect we tax-payers to pay for everything!

I do agree though we mire ourselves in consultants, reviews and so on. Much of that stems from systems and regulations that have been developed with the best of intentions but piecemeal and over many years, so they are incoherent and not very cohesive.

AlsoI think by modern managment being too often given to people woth Ologies in Managment. They know all about spread-sheets and the latest American "oustide-the-box" twaddle, but little or nothing about the work they are suposed to support.

Too many politicians with a desperate lack of basic science and engineering knowledge - some don't even know what is mankind's most valuable and universal metallic element and its difference from steel. Too many "career politicians" who have never had a real job before becoming MPs. (The sort who graduate, work as Party HQ apparatchiks perhaps in pseudo-roles like "Director of Communications", then become Parliamentary candidates without any real experience outside politics.)


We've allowed ourselves to lean far too heavily on the USA and China - only this morning ITV announced selling most of itself to Sky. EasyJet has sold itself to a bunch of American money-traders, not even an American airline - I will not be surprised if they destroy it to make a quick profit.


We've been taken in too long by the "inward investment" myth; the cowardly idea that "we need attract overseas investors" - ignoring that these invest in Britain; not for Britain but against Britain. The profits, any IP and any security are all lost to the nation. The "investors" include huge US and Chinese companies, private-equity firms and other stock-market spivs, and national treasuries like those of France, Germany and dodgy Middle Eastern dictatorships.

If I travel to the North of England by train the service from Bristol is courtesy of a State-owned business: DB Shenke, the German national railway network.

EDF is owned by France- the nation itself.

Let's make Britain a major AI country, sez them in charge... Err, why? And why by using US companies instead of nurturing British talent?


The revelation of the vast sums of money poured by the HS2 management into consultants' pockets suggests the project (whose rationale I believe was never credible) is having to be rescued from previous managers who knew something about management but nowt else, just management. And were incompetent at that. When HS2 was created I examined its own web-site's list of Directors. All support roles (finance, personnel, etc.), and a "Director of Strategic Partnerships"- a what? A massive civil, electrical and mechanical engineering project - started without any engineering director on its board.


I'd certainly not wish the China model on the UK, though. It is based on sheer ruthlessness; but the Beijing government doe have one vital quality. It respects Science and Engineering. Our lot barely know a Watt from a Joule and have no idea what an Engineer does.
FreddieUK · 70-79, M
@ArishMell
If I travel to the North of England by train the service from Bristol is courtesy of a State-owned business: DB Shenke, the German national railway network.

You keep repeating this and each time I point out that DB has not owned any train companies in the UK for several years. Arriva was sold to I Squared Capital (an American company) in June 2024.

Your points about selling off assets to companies based abroad still stand of course.
22Michelle · 70-79, T
China has also planted over 60 billion trees, with plans for another 30 billion. It's called long term planning, something that this country hasn"t considered since probably WW2.
@22Michelle Hard to plant trees when all the land is taken for houses.
Waveney · M
@aboveaverageaveragejoe
all the land is taken for houses.
Except that's not true, is it...
22Michelle · 70-79, T
@aboveaverageaveragejoe And which country are you referring to. Not true about China and definitely not true about the UK.
More of us than not are living in 1970's builds, too - because that's the last time we did any meaningful house building...
Ontheroad · M
Simple answer - institutions, all of them - and governments are institutions, only act when it benefits the institution.
ArishMell · 70-79, M
@Ontheroad Oh, I think that's too harsh.

Institutions obviously do have to protect themselves, and it's only fair and right they do provided they do so openly and sincerely, for genuine reasons. Using self-protection to duck responsibility for ineptitude or malfeasance is not a "genuine reason". That applies whether the institution is a small, amateur hobby club, a national service or a government.

I can't speak for other countries but in the UK the majority of candidates for any public-service role, local-government post or Membership of Parliament are so from idealism, not personal gain. (If only because many of the salaries are less than in many equivalent-level commercial companies). Nor to bolster the employer at disadvantage to its users.

Unfortunately, institutions are designed and run by 'oomans, and even those 'ooman beings of the highest probity (as we hope they are) are prone to making mistakes, and if the institution is not designed to protect itself naturally from mistakes it will tend to scuttle behind obfuscation, evasion and perhaps dismissal of some luckless official, rather than have the courage to admit it went wrong and alter the way it works. Another human weakness.

As for personal misbehaviour such as fraud or corruption, a far worse human weakness than genuine mistakes, clearly that has to be flushed out and usually it is, sooner or later.

......

This applies anywhere: in the last couple of decades three similar train collisions in Germany and Greece resulted in the Police immediately arresting and charging the unfortunate official it held responsible, rather than waiting for the actual cause to be established. (These were head-on crashes on single-track lines, suggesting to me, poor railway design lacking intrinsic protection against someone inadvertently despatching a train onto an occupied line.)


Perhaps the biggest example in the UK of institutional self-protection being abused and misused is of course the Post Office 'Horizon' scandal, which is still not settled as the necessary processes take so long. Those responsible in both the Post Office and Fujitsu have long been identified and named publicly, by BBC Radio Four's long investigation and expose well before that much-vaunted ITV drama, but no-one yet has laid charges against the directors - not the companies the Directors - responsible.

Serious charges too: I would suggest theft, false accounting, perjury. Perhaps offences against IT-misuse laws too, because the whole mess arose when Fujitsu allowed its inept programmers to hack real Post Office accounts to try to correct their sloppy work, instead of creating independent model accounts.

Both companies tried to evade responsibility by blaming the Post-masters / mistresses, despite knowing the Japanese firm's incompetence, in an act of supreme cowardice.

Why the delays in settlement and legal action? I suspect solicitors and barristers - lawyers make money form other people's problems and spinning the problems out means more fees.
Convivial · 26-30, F
The main reason I think is two fold.... China thinks in decades rather than the next election cycle, it allows for long term planning.... And secondly they have the money to do so... And being in total control doesn't hurt either...
Convivial · 26-30, F
@Waveney once again, no argument from me in priorities but to be fair, China bails out a lot of local government her descions too.... But they have the money to do so
Waveney · M
@Convivial So does the UK. They just don't choose to spend it for the public good. Nowhere in the West does unless significant profit can be wrung from it.
Convivial · 26-30, F
@Waveney true...
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SunshineGirl · 36-40, F
Economic orthodoxy begins and ends with the "wisdom" of the markets. As soon as any politician attempts to.implement a vision more expansive than the maximisation of private profit (for example Ed Miliband's Net Zero policies) they are shot down in flames by aggressive lobbyists.

 
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