KunsanVeteran · M
@Elessar Yeah. Time will tell how much of this mess Bibi will “own” and what will be Demented Donnie’s share, but I think most of the world blames tRUMP.
He’s clearly running scared because he is seeing the catastrophe this is handing him for the midterms. Each time he tries to back out of the headlights and get other countries involved they shake their heads and say, “Nope! You were the aggressor here. NATO owes you nothing. You made your bed without asking us, so no off ramp through NATO!”
He’s clearly running scared because he is seeing the catastrophe this is handing him for the midterms. Each time he tries to back out of the headlights and get other countries involved they shake their heads and say, “Nope! You were the aggressor here. NATO owes you nothing. You made your bed without asking us, so no off ramp through NATO!”
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ArishMell · 70-79, M
One says we are negotiating, the other says we are not. Whom to believe? At least Pakistan has offered to act as broker.
Iran and the USA were talking; then Israel waded in with high-explosives, so the USA joined it without consulting anyone else, and apparently with little or no clear aims or aftermath plans.
Now, even if America decently withdraws albeit with Trump claim winning a war he had already claimed over and won; as you say Israel and Iran are not likely to stop fighting.
I think a major obstacle to Iran abandoning nuclear weapons development is no-one having any moral high ground in owning the appalling things. For a country to say, "yes we have them but you can't", is tragically not credible nor tenable. Ideally, no-one should have them, but mutual fear is not ideal, and the world does not run on idealism.
Nuclear powered electricity generation is another matter. There is no reason for Iran not to use that.
A major driver for Iran's nuclear-power programme is everyone, including the oil-producing countries, needing plan for their own electrical and international trading needs when their petroleum deposits run out. As they will, even if the world no longer needs vast quantities of petroleum-based fuels - petroleum is vital for far more than just fuel.
In this matter, nations like Iran and Saudi Arabia have the advantage over the USA, Norway and UK in being rigid autocracies designed for long-term continuity of autocracy allowing planning decades hence. Sadly, the cost is dreadful tyranny over their own people. China has a similar long-term strategy advantage - and similar callousness. We have seen already the Iranians's resilience, even with their major politicians having been killed.
Iran and the USA were talking; then Israel waded in with high-explosives, so the USA joined it without consulting anyone else, and apparently with little or no clear aims or aftermath plans.
Now, even if America decently withdraws albeit with Trump claim winning a war he had already claimed over and won; as you say Israel and Iran are not likely to stop fighting.
I think a major obstacle to Iran abandoning nuclear weapons development is no-one having any moral high ground in owning the appalling things. For a country to say, "yes we have them but you can't", is tragically not credible nor tenable. Ideally, no-one should have them, but mutual fear is not ideal, and the world does not run on idealism.
Nuclear powered electricity generation is another matter. There is no reason for Iran not to use that.
A major driver for Iran's nuclear-power programme is everyone, including the oil-producing countries, needing plan for their own electrical and international trading needs when their petroleum deposits run out. As they will, even if the world no longer needs vast quantities of petroleum-based fuels - petroleum is vital for far more than just fuel.
In this matter, nations like Iran and Saudi Arabia have the advantage over the USA, Norway and UK in being rigid autocracies designed for long-term continuity of autocracy allowing planning decades hence. Sadly, the cost is dreadful tyranny over their own people. China has a similar long-term strategy advantage - and similar callousness. We have seen already the Iranians's resilience, even with their major politicians having been killed.
ElwoodBlues · M
Yep, tRump's 15 point plan is similar to Obama's 2015 Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action – the one tRump blew up in 2018 – except the new 15 point plan is more favorable to Iran.
tRump has realized that to prevent a blue wave in the midterms, oil prices have to come down FAST. And tRump apparently will sacrifice anything on the altar of lower oil prices.
Conversely, Iran realizes that to bring about regime change in Washington, all they need to is keep oil prices high. Iran can now play the game of negotiating in bad faith and drawing out the process.
tRump has realized that to prevent a blue wave in the midterms, oil prices have to come down FAST. And tRump apparently will sacrifice anything on the altar of lower oil prices.
Conversely, Iran realizes that to bring about regime change in Washington, all they need to is keep oil prices high. Iran can now play the game of negotiating in bad faith and drawing out the process.
KunsanVeteran · M
The thing is:
Nobody trusts Demented Donnie!
What tRUMP DOES:
1. Incessantly LIES
2. Stabs everyone in the back
3. Flip flops more than a dying fish (and smells even worse!)
What tRUMP DOES NOT DO:
1. Keep his promises
2. Anything philanthropic
3. Anything honorable
4. Anything truly Christian or Patriotic
Nobody trusts Demented Donnie!
What tRUMP DOES:
1. Incessantly LIES
2. Stabs everyone in the back
3. Flip flops more than a dying fish (and smells even worse!)
What tRUMP DOES NOT DO:
1. Keep his promises
2. Anything philanthropic
3. Anything honorable
4. Anything truly Christian or Patriotic
Picklebobble2 · 61-69, M
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Younameit · F
Yep, everything you pointed out is true.I don’t have any idea how this will end. And I don’t think Iran will ever give up on having nuclear power, especially now knowing that they’re so vulnerable to external attacks. So if this ever ends peacefully it would be Iran calling the quits and agreeing to not enrich their uranium, but they’re firm on having it. And there is also Israel like you mentioned.
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Burnley123 · 36-40, M
@sunsporter1649 I'm a postmodernist. I believe whatever my chosen media sources tell me.
I have no standards for evidence or objective truth.
@sunsporter1649 I'm a postmodernist. I believe whatever my chosen media sources tell me.
I have no standards for evidence or objective truth.
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@sunsporter1649 More to the point, if he told his base that breathing was bad for you, they would go along with it
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Vin53 · M
@sunsporter1649 Democrat Emily Gregory flips deep-red Florida House district that includes Mar-a-Lago
KunsanVeteran · M
@Vin53 Actually that is a very bad idea.
Russia and tRUMP are trying to support Orban in coming elections (if Orban doesn’t unilaterally cancel them).
Their plot (at least one of them) fake an assassination attempt. Orban is enormously unpopular, so I would guess that the rationale is to use the “unsuccessful assassination attempt” as a reason to cancel the elections.
We may just see Demented Donnie try this. Keep this is mi d going forward…
Russia and tRUMP are trying to support Orban in coming elections (if Orban doesn’t unilaterally cancel them).
Their plot (at least one of them) fake an assassination attempt. Orban is enormously unpopular, so I would guess that the rationale is to use the “unsuccessful assassination attempt” as a reason to cancel the elections.
We may just see Demented Donnie try this. Keep this is mi d going forward…