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How much taxpayer money should be used to bail out Bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies if they fail?



Photo above - Senator Elizabeth Warren recently demanded that Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent promise not to bail out crypto if it fails. He demurred, so she wrote him an angry letter.

Senator Warren is so upset at the potential to use taxpayer dollars to bail out the flailing cryptocurrency universe. Now she's written a letter. To the US Treasury Department and Federal Reserve asking them to promise they not do it. (see link below). Stop laughing. This is vital policy questions are resolved. Televised hearings on C-span, then follow-up letters to whoever testified. Your and my opinion still don't matter.

Scott Bessent and Jerome Powell testified before the Senate Banking Committee earlier this year. They didn’t say “no” when asked if taxpayer money will be used to bail out the crypto-universe. Hence Warren's angry letters. Just letters, because Senator Warren is only a committee member, and has zero power. That may change in November, when democrats reclaim the senate and house. She will become the committee chair-woman. But it’s still not clear how much power the senate has – if any – to stop this sort of crypto chicanery. The supreme court just took a year to decide that the 2025 presidential tariffs are illegal. The government will now be refunding billions of dollars to corporations. Evidently none of that money will flow to you or me - the people who paid higher prices because of the tariffs.

If the president and his cabinet decide to bail out crypto, where in the US constitution is that prohibited?

If a crypto rescue happens, it could take a year or more for the supreme court to agree to hear the case. Bailouts will have again succeeded in creating winners (corporations) and losers (ordinary taxpayers). Billionaire corporations vote with their wallets, through campaign contributions. I only have one vote.

If you DON’T think a crypto bailout is in our future, I would remind everyone what happened in 2008. The president bailed out wall street, money center banks, and even Detroit with a monsoon of cash. There wasn’t even a supreme court hearing to see if this could be legal.

And in 2020-21, we had more covid bailouts. This time it was all on the senate. The money went to airlines, cruise ships, hotels, casinos, restaurants and rappers. All those corporations and entertainers were in trouble because too many people took the government up on its recommendation to shelter indoors and wear a mask. Trillions in pandemic stimulus went out the door, never to be seen again.

Back to the crypto bailout. People in this forum – and in my own apartment building – have fierce opinions about the “Clarity” crypto bill, which is stalled in congress. The pro vs con opinions are sharply divided by whether or not someone owns crypto. And a LOT of small fish own crypto. My neighbor owns about $50 worth. He is convinced that the “Clarity” bill will fix everything and send his crypto holdings to the moon. He told me that he is currently unable to work because of long term depression, for which has received counselling and has been prescribed Zoloft.

But who am i to say that unemployed crypto day traders are mistaken? In the past, the US government has tried to bail out just about anyone and anything that could result in their re-election.

I’m just sayin’ . . .



Elizabeth Warren Says Fed, Treasury Shouldn't 'Use Taxpayer Dollars To Bail Out Crypto Billionaires'

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/elizabeth-warren-says-fed-treasury-130047293.html
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whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M Best Comment
Only Bitcoin should be used to bail out Bitcoin. That seems fair...😷
SusanInFlorida · 31-35, F
@whowasthatmaskedman immediately marked "best comment". i'm ashamed i didn't think of this myself.
whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M
@SusanInFlorida Thank you for The best Comment. Sorry. I rushed you. You would have got their in a moment.. Deleting bitcoin would actually be a good step to culling the financial herd of the stupid and the Criminal. Even if the idea wasnt a Ponzi scheme at the start, it had the potential to become one at any moment..Declaring it ellegal and deleting all value attached would eliminate Trillions in ill gotten gains. (Insuring that will never happen).😷

OldBrit · 61-69, M
None. And the reason I say that is that the original point about crypto was that it provided a currency that wasn't owned by a country, a political system or under influence from central banks etc

So fair enough but the surely if that's the usp over traditional currencies then the potential downside must be that governments do not ever bail out crypto currency devaluations.
SusanInFlorida · 31-35, F
@OldBrit good reply. gold isn't "owned by a country", and no nation bails out people whove got eagles or Krugerrands stashed under their mattresses
OldBrit · 61-69, M
@SusanInFlorida it's the same principle to me.

If you expect a bailout by government then hold government backed currency or government bonds.
Gusman · 61-69, M
Something I cannot work out. Looking at the terms and conditions of a Cryptocurrency ATM yesterday. The very first thing mentioned is; Cryptocurrency is not legal tender. (in Australia)
So how is it able to be traded?
I get that it is property, and thus able to be sold on the open market.
The cryptocurrency machines have been slated by the Australian Federal Police as enabling money laundering. So why are they allowed to be placed into shopping centres?
Gusman · 61-69, M
@whowasthatmaskedman Then there must never be government bailouts.
Just another nail in the coffin of society and the world as a whole.
whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M
@Gusman Logically, thats correct. But logic doesnt always apply to America and rarely to Trump..If there is money in it for the rich, never say never..😷
SusanInFlorida · 31-35, F
@Gusman there are lots of things which are not "legal tender" but still have market/exchange value:

1 - stock shares
2 - treasury bills
3 - defaulted loans

even gold kruggerands aren't legal tender. no merchant is obligated to accept anything not minted by his own nation.

which is the heart of the problem. nations seek a monopoly on which money their citizens are allowed to use.
SunshineGirl · 36-40, F
Not a single cent. If you choose to invest in largely unregulated financial products that are deliberately positioned outside orthodox banking and financial systems, the risk is entirely yours.

The situation with the tariff money is disgraceful, but probably a necessary pain to rein in an over-mighty executive in the future.
There are at least three or four other justifications to be used as necessary. So far the economic plan is working just fine as the GNP in the US is going up resulting in more income tax receipts. The goal isn’t to make money through tariffs the goal is higher US GNP. The extreme left doesn’t even bother to understand economics. Gloating about screwing up the best economic plan the US has in a century is just plain dumb. I recommend some serious reading and not just left wing bloviating. @SusanInFlorida @SunshineGirl
SunshineGirl · 36-40, F
@jackjjackson This thread is actually about cryptocurrency. The secondary point, Tump's illegal tariffs, was I think only made to illustrate the current impotence of the legislature in the face of executive over-reach.
The president’s economic policy benefits you. If you had crypto you’d be singing a different song sister. @SunshineGirl
Ken4family · 18-21, M
Prison1203 · 61-69, M
Not one red cent
markinkansas · 61-69, M
i would think none.. however are we going to a cashless world of just ones and zeros ..
whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M
@markinkansas But if trump owns any, he will want his money back.. And the government will provide, as soon as he owns the Fed.
hippyjoe1955 · 70-79, M
Why should a state bail out a private enterprise?
Crazywaterspring · 61-69, M
Crypto is a scam. Bail out those who speculate in scams? Who did they bribe?
Strictmichael75 · 61-69, M
The clown 🤡 signed a law thwt the tax payers have to pay for any loss in crypto money
Warren is upset all the time. Why isn’t she on meds?
SusanInFlorida · 31-35, F
@jackjjackson @jackjjackson i'm unhappy with every president, senator, house member, and governor over the age of 70. retire, already. you're the folks who effed this up. not voters.

 
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