Isn't this illegal stalking?
To see reports about ant-ICE terrorist following and harassing ICE agents at their hotels, isn't this illegal stalking?
EBSVC · 41-45, T
Nope. I’ve worked for the state for many years now and once I worked in a building that was open to the public.
You could follow us, film us, do whatever. If you became disruptive you could be asked to leave the building (for the sake of other citizens conducting their business there) but you could stand on the sidewalk yelling at us all day. We had to take it as a matter of law. We had training specifically for this.
You could also follow us wherever we went for our work except for the secure office that held our records and collected monies. That was the only place we could go that the public couldn’t follow us.
I wasn’t a cop but I still wore a shield and I got of people yelling at me because of it.
I also worked for the state during COVID doing vaccinations in public and we also had people yelling at us and insulting us and protesting. And again…we had to take it a matter of law.
It seems most folks on this website only like the first amendment when people are doing and saying things they agree with 🤷🏻♀
You could follow us, film us, do whatever. If you became disruptive you could be asked to leave the building (for the sake of other citizens conducting their business there) but you could stand on the sidewalk yelling at us all day. We had to take it as a matter of law. We had training specifically for this.
You could also follow us wherever we went for our work except for the secure office that held our records and collected monies. That was the only place we could go that the public couldn’t follow us.
I wasn’t a cop but I still wore a shield and I got of people yelling at me because of it.
I also worked for the state during COVID doing vaccinations in public and we also had people yelling at us and insulting us and protesting. And again…we had to take it a matter of law.
It seems most folks on this website only like the first amendment when people are doing and saying things they agree with 🤷🏻♀
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nudistsueaz · 61-69, F
@EBSVC LOL....as a retired State employee I understood every word. You are the one that didn't understand what I said. In twenty sis years that would have never been permitted here.
nudistsueaz · 61-69, F
@EBSVC Not if it involved employs safety or production.
AuRevoir · 36-40, M
Yes. Also known as harassment for which they can be officially charged.
The problem is most Ice officers are trying to remain anonymous. To official charge individuals you can’t remain anonymous as it has to be documented on who is making the charge and why.
However if it gets pushed up the ladder. The department of Justice etc… can begin charging people themselves. It all just comes down to paperwork really.
So a personal charge would require the lack of anonymity, while higher more direct charges from a department itself can circumvent this by issuing the charge directly from the department. Thus no identities for the agents involved have to be revealed.
Idiots who do such likely think they’re “peacefully protesting” which goes to show how toxic they are and how unintelligent they are as they know nothing about what’s considered peaceful assembly…
The problem is most Ice officers are trying to remain anonymous. To official charge individuals you can’t remain anonymous as it has to be documented on who is making the charge and why.
However if it gets pushed up the ladder. The department of Justice etc… can begin charging people themselves. It all just comes down to paperwork really.
So a personal charge would require the lack of anonymity, while higher more direct charges from a department itself can circumvent this by issuing the charge directly from the department. Thus no identities for the agents involved have to be revealed.
Idiots who do such likely think they’re “peacefully protesting” which goes to show how toxic they are and how unintelligent they are as they know nothing about what’s considered peaceful assembly…
dancingtongue · 80-89, M
The First Amendment protects independent observers of police actions surrounding protesters. Such independent observers have been used by protest groups going back to at least the Civil Rights Protests of the late 1950's. Following them to their hotels extends the boundaries and may need to be adjudicated, but "law enforcement" individuals being allowed to hide their identity behind masks rather than have name plates and badge numbers clearly in evidence needs to be as well.
4meAndyou · F
"MINNEAPOLIS, MINNESOTA — minneapolis police arrested 29 people during overnight protests outside downtown hotels where ice agents were believed to be staying, declaring an unlawful assembly and issuing dispersal orders before moving in to break up what they described as a large crowd."
"Minneapolis Noise Ordinance
What law is being broken when protesters in Minneapolis make noise outside hotels all night long
The noise-making by protesters outside hotels in Minneapolis can be considered a violation of the Minneapolis Noise Ordinance. This ordinance prohibits noisy or unruly assemblies, which can include protests that disrupt public peace and order. The ordinance requires that any gathering deemed noisy or unruly must be reported to the Minneapolis Police Department within ten business days. If a notice is issued, the owner or rental license holder of the premises may be issued an administrative citation for additional noisy or unruly assemblies within one hundred eighty (180) days of the initial notice.
Star Tribune
The ordinance aims to maintain public safety and order, and it is important for protesters to be aware of the laws that govern their behavior to avoid potential legal consequences. "
Star Tribune
"Minneapolis Noise Ordinance
What law is being broken when protesters in Minneapolis make noise outside hotels all night long
The noise-making by protesters outside hotels in Minneapolis can be considered a violation of the Minneapolis Noise Ordinance. This ordinance prohibits noisy or unruly assemblies, which can include protests that disrupt public peace and order. The ordinance requires that any gathering deemed noisy or unruly must be reported to the Minneapolis Police Department within ten business days. If a notice is issued, the owner or rental license holder of the premises may be issued an administrative citation for additional noisy or unruly assemblies within one hundred eighty (180) days of the initial notice.
Star Tribune
The ordinance aims to maintain public safety and order, and it is important for protesters to be aware of the laws that govern their behavior to avoid potential legal consequences. "
Star Tribune
Subsumedpat · 41-45, M
onewithshoes · 26-30, F
If individuals are being targeted, yes.
Interesting…noise ordinances in Minneapolis…
nudistsueaz · 61-69, F
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