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hippyjoe1955 · 70-79, M
Why did the US get involved to begin with? A little European corruption goes a long way.
hippyjoe1955 · 70-79, M
@SunshineGirl none of the European nations declared an article 5 level attract. your point is moot.
sree251 · 41-45, M
@AthrillatheHunt
I have no say how my govt spends my tax money.

You give your tax money to the government and you have no say? Do you have any say when put your money on the payment counter at MacDonalds?
AthrillatheHunt · 51-55, M
@sree251 that’s right. I have no say. And I’m okay w that. And I take exception to you insinuating I eat poison. Lol

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Strictmichael75 · 61-69, M
@jshm2 a true nut case
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sree251 · 41-45, M
@jshm2
The same reason Epstein should not have had a central role in US politics - but did.

Epstein? Since when? How do you connect the dots?

Europe and Ukraine both did a lot of illegal things up to, and during the war. Europe has stolen something like $100 billion in Russian assets, and imprisoned and/or kicked out hundreds of Russians from various posts.

Russian assets cannot be stolen. Most of these are held in depositories all over the west including Singapore. Russia has a detailed account of what and where they are.

But the US has not directly attacked Russia, nor stolen from Russia. The Russians don't negotiate with thieves or traitors, so the US is the lesser of three evils.

The OP question is why is Trump playing power broker over the Ukraine mess? The Europeans want conflict with Russia. The US is dragged into it by Americans with ties to Europe. They hold dual citizenship. They should be stripped of American citizenship and shipped back to their countries of origin. Trump needs to close down all US military bases in Europe.
samueltyler2 · 80-89, M
I assume that is a rhetoric question. Both Putin and doxing don want a trump tower in Moscow!
sylvsn59 · 61-69, M
Short and sweet

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sree251 · 41-45, M
@sylvsn59
Short and sweet

The way out of conflict is for Europeans to erupt in another war among themselves. Battlefields strewn with corpses and cities bombed to rubble are what they want. Just don't call for help from the USA again.
@sylvsn59 Delusional EU elites are not credible or helpful.
In what fantasy land is Trump playing power broker? He's trying to negotiate peace. Did 8 times already...in case you didn't notice.
@sree251 I will if it wakes you up. As it turns out, about 90% of the anti-Trump accounts on X are just foreign bots. You probably aren't even real.
@BizSuitStacy I hate to disagree with you, but are you sure its 8? In Gaza, he threatened to obliterate it. In Ukraine he's threatening to withhold intelligence and military weapons if Ukraine doesn't give up land Putin invaded. Putin's rational for Ukraine harkens of Adolph's "Blood and Soil" rational for the Sudetenland with Germany.

I've not been a fan of donald since he dissed Sen John McCain and his comments about the American dead in European cemeteries as 'suckers and losers'. Now his blatant purging of the government and military of those whose disagree with "Dear Leader". Oh, did I neglect to mention the Jan 6th insurrection? Or publicly claiming US Senators as being guilty of sedition punishable by death for saying that the military swears an oath to the Constitution and not to any person; and that the military is obligated to resist unlawful orders?
@VeronicaJane oh...I don't think you have issues with disagreement. Pretty easy to find the info on Trump's peace deals, though I'm sure you won't have any difficulties finding politicians and media who'll disagree and spin it in the other direction.


In Gaza, he threatened to obliterate it.
After Trump had Iran's nuclear facility destroyed, he said he'd let Israel obliterate Hamas if they didn't release hostages. They caved at the last minute, of course.

In Ukraine he's threatening to withhold intelligence and military weapons if Ukraine doesn't give up land Putin invaded.
Oh...do you mean the area of Donbas, where the citizens speak Russian and who were attacked and shelled in a civil war led by the western Ukrainian gov't shortly after Obama's assistant SoS, Victoria Nuland engineered a coup. Gee...I can't imagine why these citizens want their region annexed to Russia 🙄. Funny thing about peace deals...unless one side flat out wins the war, there will be compromises made by both sides. The US has no business being involved in the conflict except that it made people (including politicians) connected to the military industrial complex very wealthy.

I've not been a fan of Donald since he dissed Sen John McCain
John McCain was a traitor to the nation. Lemme guess...you probably referred to him as John McLame, when he ran against Obama. McCain later opposed Obamacare, to get himself re-elected, and then, when he was on his death bed, he finally told the truth, and said he voted in favor of Obamacare. Now our healthcare premiums and deductibles have skyrocketed. And best of all, Arizona is now a hot bed of election fraud, thanks to the McCain Mafia.

his (Trump's comments about the American dead in European cemeteries as 'suckers and losers'.
Right...and it came from an article out of The Atlantic a well known leftist media outlet with a penchant for lying. Note: anonymous sources, right out of the Adam Schiff playbook.


Oh, did I neglect to mention the Jan 6th insurrection? Or publicly claiming US Senators as being guilty of sedition punishable by death for saying that the military swears an oath to the Constitution and not to any person; and that the military is obligated to resist unlawful orders?

Did you forget that the BBC altered the video of Trump's statements on J6, and are now being sued for billions? Did you forget that the FBI refused to answer the question of the number of assets they had in the crowd on J6? We now know it was at least 275. Why wasn't Ray Epps prosecuted since he's on video telling people to storm the Capitol building? Did you forget they found and prosecuted grandmother's who technically trespassed on Capitol grounds, but the same experts couldn't figure out who the pipe bomber was or the guy with the noose and gallows. We now know the pipe bomber is a forensic match to Capitol police officer, Shauni Rae Kerkhoff, who has munitions expertise. Of course, the left is quick to deny it was her, but has zero exculpatory evidence. The documented Capitol Police timeline begins on December 16th, and each update warned of the potential for escalating violence. Never forget that Chief Sund requested Nat Guard forces on Jan 4th, but Pelosi and McConnell turned it down. I can go on, but J6 was a leftwing operation to cover up the election theft.

But now you bring up the Senators and Congressman who are openly telling the military to disobey direct orders. It's not the job of the military to decide what order is and isn't lawful. That is up to the Pentagon lawyers. Anyone who is in the military understands the importance of chain of command. Soldiers don't question orders, except if it's something obvious thing like shooting innocent citizens. This stunt cones right out of the CIA playbook. Far more dangerous than thugs vandalizing the Capitol building. Yeah...those six members of Congress are seditious traitors.

Maybe you forgot what happened to military personnel who refused the jab?

Maybe you hate to disagree because you're so wrong about all this?
meJess · F
Ursula is not capable of being a defence minister, according to her own countrymen. She is not capable of negotiating a trade agreement with the US, as shown by backing down in areas that were previously not negotiable with any other country.

The EU cannot negotiate with Putin they don’t have the ability.
The EU is totally irrelevant.

A bunch of powerless countries still living under the delusion that they are colonial empires with the armies to match.

And these idiots have no domestic support.

Macron is competing with Trump for lowest approval rating in the world. Starmer is probably the most unpopular Labour PM in years, and Germany is not looking good.


Trump is making the decisions because Ukraine is a proxy of the USA and has been for a decade. What the EU wants is totally irrelevant and has been since 2014.

To quote Victoria Neuland "Fuck the EU."

The opinions of a bunch of European aristocrats who still think it is the 1700s don't matter.

Even various EU members and the Brits recognize on some level they have no power. They want to keep the war going but demand "American backstopping" which is a euphemism for they need the Americans to fight their war for them.
@ArishMell I said they are people living under the delusion that they still run colonial empires. I never said they actually were 200 years old.

Why the EU and NATO are incapable of fighting a war they want to start is irrelevant.


The British Army is the smallest it has been since the Napoleonic war and the best they can do with the combined "might" of France and Germany is threaten 10 000 troops. A total joke.

The point is NATO is still trying to train people with tactics from the 1980s.


Victoria Neuland's comments were leaked from what was supposed to be a private conversation by former members of the SBU who were loyal to Ukraine, not Washington. Since that has not happened in a few years I assume they have all been purged and likely sent to die at the front.


You are not wrong but you have a bunch of armchair generals in Brussels, London, Paris, and Berlin who want to start a direct war with Russia they can't afford and can't fight without Americans doing all the heavy lifting and still lose.

I mean shit you have people like Kaja Kallas who think they speak for the EU. A country that has not been relevant for centuries and in the last big war fought for the Axis powers which might explain why they are enamoured with the Ukrainian Banderites. People like this trying to cash cheques they can't back up with belligerent talk that if fighting expands will have other people dying for their bravado.
ArishMell · 70-79, M
@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow Your are WRONG that the leaders of the EU and of its constituent parties think they still run empires. Only a few European countries had those, and gave them up long ago.

Your WRONG that anyone in the EU wants to start a war.

There is NO "bunch of aermchair generals wanting" to go to war with Russia.

No-one wants wars. The most war-loving nations now are Russia, Iran, China and the USA - in no particular order but the USA did like to think herself the world's guardian; superior militarily, politically, economically and culturally to everyone else.

We would all rather Russia behaved like a civilised country and could be a good friend, as it was starting to be after the USSR collapsed, but it won't with Vladimir Putin in control.

You are right that the UK's armed forces are too low, and that is indeed a matter of serious concern in the country. It may be true for other European nations too.


The European Union is NOT a country, and it has not existed for centuries. It is a modern, political and economic bloc of about two dozen independent nations; its roots economic but partly also a desire that European nations live in harmony with each other after centuries of periods of fighting; and it is run by people from all those nations.


The start fact is whatever may be right or wrong internally about Ukraine, she is an independent country that Putin want Russia to take over and subsume for his own ambitions. And if that succeeds, who next? Moldova? Georgia? The Baltic States? Finland - which joined NATO as a reponse to the invasion?
@ArishMell Their leaders do. Your feelings about it don't change that. And all the major players in the EU are former colonial empires.

And no it is not ancient history. France still has colonies. A few less thanks to Russia of late. Which is why Macron is so pathological about starting a fight with Russia.

The UK has been pretending it is still an empire since the 60s.

I am not wrong that the EU and NATO want war. That is just objectively true. Or at least their leaders do. They don't care because Ukrainians are doing the dying for their imperial LARPing.


And claiming no one wants war is just dishonest or naive. If you want the war to keep going forever that is the definition of wanting war.


And your claims about Russia, China and Iran are just xenophobic nonsense. None of those countries have started a war in over 100 years. For the west it is a matter of months between wars.

And I see you are delusional enough to believe that the American global empire is some magical camelot out for the good of mankind.


More nonsense about Russia that is the complete opposite of reality. The US and Western Europe marched on Russia for 30 years tearing up every treaty ever signed with Russia along the way.

The west has literally never honoured any treaty signed with Russia.


The fact that you think Russia, China and Iran need to behave like well behaved children shows the Western supremacist mentality that the entire globe is required to bow down to American and EU dictates.


The EU and NATO are a collection of American vassal states. Nothing more.


And again you straight up lie about Ukraine. It has not been an independent country since 2014. It is an American and British colonial outpost.

Russia doesn't want an enemy army camp on it's border and for the west to honour the deals they agreed to 30 years ago. But the west has proven they will not honour any diplomatic agreement making war inevitable.

Just look into the statements made by American officials themselves. They are even honest about this. They knew fucking with Ukraine would provoke a war in 1991. They don't care.


Maybe educate yourself on history and basic facts instead of this bad cold war propaganda move plot you have invented out of thin air.


Georgia? NATO tried to use them to start a war with Russia to humiliating results. Then when they failed they took their former president who is a war criminal in Georgia and installed him as governor of Odessa in Ukraine.

The EU rigged elections in Moldova to make sure they were a foregone conclusion in their favor.

The EU overruled elections in Romania because they didn't like the results.
FreddieUK · 70-79, M
Ego and money. Not necessarily in that order.

 
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