European Union must have a central role in Ukraine peace deal, Ursula von der Leyen said.
She is right. Why is Trump playing power broker and making deals with Russia over Ukraine?
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sylvsn59 · 61-69, M
Short and sweet
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PicturesOfABetterTomorrow · 41-45, M
@sylvsn59 Delusional EU elites are not credible or helpful.
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sree251 · 41-45, M
@ArishMell
The USA is not one homogeneous lump either if you check it out at close range. The fact is that Europe is no different from the USA but more easily fractured. WW1 and WW2 were instances when Europe collapsed. The USA can collapse in that fashion also and did in 1861: The American Civil War.
Why do you hate Europe - which is nearly thirty different, independent countries - not one homogenous(ish) lump like the USA - so much that you wish them all dead among the ruins??
The USA is not one homogeneous lump either if you check it out at close range. The fact is that Europe is no different from the USA but more easily fractured. WW1 and WW2 were instances when Europe collapsed. The USA can collapse in that fashion also and did in 1861: The American Civil War.
PicturesOfABetterTomorrow · 41-45, M
@ArishMell And those European countries have done nothing independent of the USA for 80 years. In fact that is the entire point of NATO.
sree251 · 41-45, M
@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow
Quite right. The US never left Europe after WW2 and stayed to occupy Germany as well as to confront Russian communism (USSR). Europe was a shambles. She never recovered as a region of independent nations. What we have is a band of handicaps hanging onto the US for support till today.
And those European countries have done nothing independent of the USA for 80 years. In fact that is the entire point of NATO.
Quite right. The US never left Europe after WW2 and stayed to occupy Germany as well as to confront Russian communism (USSR). Europe was a shambles. She never recovered as a region of independent nations. What we have is a band of handicaps hanging onto the US for support till today.
PicturesOfABetterTomorrow · 41-45, M
@sree251 Yep. The very first Secretary General of NATO said it was created to "Keep America in, Germany down, and Russia out." And with the Marshall Plan the US effectively felt they had literally bought Europe.
The feeling at the time was that European countries could not be trusted with sovereignty after starting 2 world wars in 20 years.
The feeling at the time was that European countries could not be trusted with sovereignty after starting 2 world wars in 20 years.