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Trump to Appeal Judges Decision Ordering Him to Feed Needy Americans

It's moves like this that is going to get his party's clock cleaned in the midterms.

https://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/news/trump-administration-set-appeal-strict-ruling-snap-benefits-rcna242463
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The Comment Thread (GerOttman, FrogManSometimesLooksBothWays, etc.)

a. GerOttman’s comment

“It’s not the needy Americans we’re worried about... non-Americans stealing their benefits.”

That reflects a mythic populist frame — conflating bureaucratic inefficiency with immigrant “theft.” It taps into resentment politics rather than factual policy critique.

b. FrogManSometimesLooksBothWays’ reply

This commenter did exactly what an informed citizen should do — brought data into the conversation:

The GAO’s 11.7% improper payment rate doesn’t mean fraud; it includes administrative error.

Undocumented immigrants are ineligible for SNAP except in narrow cases (e.g., citizen children).

Fraud rates among immigrants are not statistically higher than among citizens; administrative bottlenecks and data mismatches drive most “improper” cases.

This was a calm, evidence-based correction — the sort of reply that introduces accountability into an emotional thread.

c. GerOttman’s sarcastic rejoinder

“Well somebody should look into that.”

A deflection typical of people unwilling to relinquish a pre-set worldview even after being confronted with evidence.

d. The humorous exchange (hoops, decaf, White House dinner)

That back-and-forth shows a mild de-escalation — humor momentarily softened a polarized debate. “Sure. Decaf.” is classic online levity after tension, and the follow-up “I should have known” signals playful resignation rather than anger. It’s rare to see political debate end that gently.

e. “You think there will really be midterms?”

This line quotes Trump’s own chilling statement —

“In four years, you don’t have to vote again.”
That remark is deeply antidemocratic and perfectly fits your observation that such rhetoric will backfire electorally. It sounds like a promise of permanent one-party rule — a threat to democratic repetition itself.

f. faery’s comment

“Using citizens as pawns doesn’t sit well with voters.”
Succinct and morally grounded — that’s the core of what Judge McConnell himself implied. When the state withholds basic aid for leverage, it loses legitimacy.

g. zonavar68’s thread

He adds nuance, suggesting Trump will rationalize his defiance by claiming a popular mandate. His mention of the Heritage Foundation’s interest in J.D. Vance as the “next king” hints at the ideological jockeying within the right — a recognition that even traditional conservatives are tiring of Trump’s chaos.

h. wildland’s concluding post

“A judge in Rhode Island just stopped the federal government from starving millions of Americans… Americans have a right to expect the President will obey court orders.”

That post nails the civic heart of the issue: regardless of party, obedience to judicial rulings is the minimal baseline of constitutional order. Defiance of that principle recalls the 1950s desegregation showdowns, when state officials refused to implement federal court orders.
Kwek00 · 41-45, M
@GerOttman To be atacked by a small person like yourself?
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Kwek00 · 41-45, M
@GerOttman I believe that, you are full of it.
PHlover19701 · 56-60, M
I thonk the republicans need to step off the Bible they stand on...pick it up...open it...and read what it very specifically says very very clearly about how we are to treat the poor and needy.....and the fact it clearly says...the way you treat the poor and needy IS the way you directlyntreat Jesus.

The fact the Republicans want to starve them...particularly children...and take away health care should make any real christian sick to their stomach.
PHlover19701 · 56-60, M
@PHlover19701 One should be more concerned with what God sees....not man.
whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M
@PHlover19701 God should be more concerned with that I see. I am handling his performance revue. No Christmas bonus this year..😷
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Charity · 61-69
Naturally he would appeal! And from what I've seen of trump he doesn't care what the court orders him to do.

And he definitely doesn't care about anybody other than himself and his family and a few associates maybe, and definitely not anyone that is considered poor or even unwealthy.

Those that kisses behind, as long as they kiss it he will cut for them.
GerOttman · 70-79, M
It's not the needy "Americans" we're worried about. They would actually benefit ultimately if the needy non-americans were not stealing their benefits.
GerOttman · 70-79, M
@FrogManSometimesLooksBothWays cool maybe we can shoot some hoops while we wait for dessert and coffee.
@GerOttman Sure. Decaf.
GerOttman · 70-79, M
@FrogManSometimesLooksBothWays I should have known..
whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M
Is this the part where I say "I told you so"?😷
You think there will really be midterms?

“In four years, you don’t have to vote again. We’ll have it fixed so good, you’re not going to have to vote.”
faery · F
Using citizens as pawns doesn't sit well with voters. Crazy, I know
zonavar68 · 56-60, M
@faery Trump will push back by saying the 'citizens' voted overwhelmingly for him therefore he has a mandate to do the eff whatever he likes (which he does normally anyway).
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AthrillatheHunt · 51-55, M
Not a good look for any politico or his party
zonavar68 · 56-60, M
@AthrillatheHunt Remember the Heritage Foundation doesn't want Trump as 'king' - they want DJ Vance to be the future 'King of the Hill'.
zonavar68 · 56-60, M
Screwed over by the ruling class - just this time it's happening in plain sight.
Only if America gets to hear about it
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AthrillatheHunt · 51-55, M
@CougarLisa he really loved people
Reason10 · 70-79, M
There are few needy Americans. The moochers on food stamps are FAT AND LOUD. They are about as needy as Elon Musk.
@Reason10 Are you saying Elon Musk doesn't have needs? He has plenty of needs. He's a needy American if there ever was one.

1. The need for stimulation

Musk appears to require constant cognitive overload — multiple companies, extreme deadlines, risk, disruption. Some people need calm; he seems to need intensity to avoid inner deadness or boredom.

2. The need for control

Most high-powered founders have a control streak, but his looks structural. He needs to shape the environment around him — technologically, organizationally, even culturally — rather than adapt to it.

3. The need for idealism (but in an engineering key)

He genuinely seems driven by visions (Mars, AI, energy transformation). It’s not just narcissism; it’s a kind of quasi-mythic engineering idealism that he needs in order to orient himself.

4. The need for adoration / validation

Not in a fragile Hollywood sense, but in the “my achievements must be witnessed” sense. He doesn’t seem to need friends; he needs followers, an audience, a mythos that mirrors back his self-image.

5. The need for conflict

Some personalities function best when there is an opponent, a headwind, a crisis. Musk seems to need friction and antagonism; it energizes him and keeps the narrative of “heroic struggle” alive.

6. The need for emotional distance

He appears to need space, not closeness. Intimacy — the ordinary kind — doesn’t seem to be where he operates comfortably. He needs relationships he can step in and out of.

7. The need to feel indispensable

Many of his actions make more sense if you assume he needs to see himself as the central node without which the system collapses.
MoveAlong · 70-79, M
@FrogManSometimesLooksBothWays Evidently he so far has needed $38B in subsidies for Tesla and Space X.

BTW he's the richest man in the world. His total personal wealth is over 10X NASAs annual budget. Yet he needs welfare to get by.
whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M
@Reason10 In a nation as rich as America, there is no reason for anyone to be needy. And once peoples needs are met, they aspire and contribute..When their needs are not met, they become a drain on society.😷

 
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