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Are retirees really “living off the backs of the young”?



Photo above - Wadleigh High School in NYC. It has a 57% dropout rate. Teacher salaries that begin at $70,000 and reach $150,000. Newsweek says that retirees are the reason NY schools are failing.

My mind was blown when I read Newsweek’s claim (link below): “Retirees living off the backs of the young.” I have never seen a more audacious anti-boomer rant.

Newsweek's premise is that Social Security is unfair to kids. After a worker is forced to contribute 7.X% of their gross pay to the fund for a lifetime, if they live long enough to collect any benefits then those retirees are screwing . . . the schools?

Retirees probably have a different take on the situation, but Colombian-American reporter Jesus Mesa seems to have dodged the opportunity to interview any of them for his scoop. Jesus now lives in NYC, and most retirees from there flee to places like Florida and Texas. This because their social security benefits checks are subject to tax. It's double taxation- they were bled when their SSI taxes were withheld, and again when those monthly checks arrive now. If they live long enough. The legal age of retirement keeps going up.

This year the social security cost of living increase could actually be a net REDUCTION after mandatory Medicare premium increases are factored in.

Okay, enough of the retiree bashing, Jesus. It’s clear they had nothing to do with any school funding problems. Retirees are simply trying to avoid becoming homeless. Many of America’s homeless are late-in-life workers who lost their jobs, never had pensions, and every time they turn on the TV they get bad news about the cost of living.

Jesus, I get it: the public schools you walk past in New York do seem like a dystopian horror film. But let’s stay focused on the numbers. New York has some of the highest taxes in the universe. State income tax, city income tax, property tax, a giant retail sales tax. $22 bucks just to cross the GW Bridge. And now a new tax just to enter the borough of Manhattan once you do make it over the bridge.

If NYC schools are screwing kids, it’s possibly due to government spending priorities. In the past couple of years the city has built monuments; hired robots to patrol the subways (this failed, predictably); legalized weed and created a bureaucracy to oversee door dash style pot deliveries. Billions spent to house throngs of undocumented migrants in hotels, feed them, and provide medical services. The incoming mayor wants to make all municipal buses trips, and triple the number of apartments subject to rent control. Not sure what Mamdani plans to do with the schools. Oh yes, sorry - we do know sorry: The presumptive winner wants to end charter schools as too elitist. Has anyone interviewed that parents about THAT idea, Mr. Mamdani?

So you might conclude that schools are circling the drain because elected politicians are incompetent and corrupt. And that’s correct up to a point. But one of the most powerful voting constituencies in the city are the teachers. Starting salary – right out of college – is $70,000, before health benefits, retirement funds, etc. Experienced teachers top out at $150,000.

The most recent NY teachers' contract (link at bottom) is a nightmare. Average 4% annual salary increases over the length of the deal. PLUS a $3,000 dollar “retention bonus” (bribe if they don’t quit). The $3,000 is separate from their annual pay. Notably, the teachers' union did NOT have go on strike to score all their demands. The city government rolled over and agreed to it all. Teachers do vote, after all. In fact, lots of schools are actually polling places.

Jesus – the problem is NOT retirees collecting social security. It’s high taxes, insane spending priorities, and school administrators and staff getting paid huge salaries with no accountability for job performance.

I’m just sayin’ . . .



How retirees are living off the backs of the young

NYC teachers get 20% pay hike in 5 year, $6.4 billion deal
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Thinkerbell · 41-45, F Best Comment
NYC teachers get 20% pay hike in 5 year, $6.4 billion deal

Look on the bright side, Susan... think of how much more NYC would be spending on Wadleigh High School if 57% of the students didn't drop out.
Thinkerbell · 41-45, F
@SusanInFlorida

Thank you for BC.
TexChik · F
@Thinkerbell NYC HS grads can't read or write cursive or do math sufficiently at a 9th-grade level.
Thinkerbell · 41-45, F
@TexChik

I guess those cheapskates at the NYC Education Dept
just aren't paying their teachers enough... 🙄

Good education costs money.

Bad education costs even more.

Roadsterrider · 56-60, M
As a Gen Xer, I think the boomers and Gen X are living off the funds contributed by those younger generations working and paying taxes today. It isn't their fault, they have paid into the system their whole life, they didn't have a choice. The government has mismanaged the program and the funds that have been drawn from the wages of those paying in to the program.

Social security was never intended for everyone, it was a program to aid those that did not have any kind of pension plan that would allow them to retire. It was originally 1% of the first $3000 dollars earned annually. Today, it is 6.2% on wages up to $176K annually. And since it's inception the employer has been required to pay the same percentage. In 1950, the government started adding to who could draw SS.

Because the funds have not been managed effectively, and the system counts on new workers being required to contribute to the system, yes, the money younger workers pay today is supporting those who are drawing SS today. And with automation, AI, and a smaller work force related to who is using the funds, $1.5 trillion in 2024, 22% of the total federal budget. For the future generations, it will become unsustainable if not managed.

Bill Gates, Elon Musk, Trump, Biden, Obama, don't need SS to retire, but today, they are eligible to claim it and because they made more money, they will be paid at a higher rate than those who weren't as fortunate and have needs greater than they are receiving.

As I am nearing retirement, I have contributed to SS my entire life, I can't use the benefit until at least 62 years. My retirement account is going to provide more than social security for a longer period of time. As I paid taxes on wages that were taken for social security, and since 1983, at least a portion of what I will receive from social security is taxed, those who receive the benefit are being taxed twice on part of their return.
SusanInFlorida · 31-35, F
@Roadsterrider you are incorrect on the facts. social security was devised during the FDR administration for everyone. because nobody had pensions. the fact that people don't save for retirement is true today. and was true back then
@SusanInFlorida Not every job offers 401Ks or pension plans, specially if you get stuck with temp agencies and retail/food service.
FoxyQueen · 51-55, F
Social Security tax isn't a state tax though, it's federal. So no, the problem isn't retirees draining school funds. It's the counties and states getting taxes and misappropriating them to things like the police and other services other than schools.

And it is true that the social security retirees are receiving today are from the wages of the current workers, young and old alike. It is a huge pot that everyone contributes to through their federal taxes. So the money the current retirees put in went to their parents. The money we put ingo to our parents. That is how it works.
Carla · 61-69, F
@FoxyQueen passion projects. Yes. Odd how the passion projects serve no benefit to the people.
Corps though...
SusanInFlorida · 31-35, F
@FoxyQueen agreed Jesus the reporter wants to gut social security benefits and divert the money to federal revenue sharing for school districts.

because local property taxes are already so high homeowners refuse to vote for more. the solution is stealing retirement funds, in the opinion of newsweek
FoxyQueen · 51-55, F
@SusanInFlorida Of course.
SunshineGirl · 36-40, F
Are pensioners in the USA really doubly taxed? It's a common misapprehension in the UK that national insurance contributions are taxed (they are not). In many cases pensioners are taxed at a lower marginal rate than they would have been during their working lives, which represents a generous subsidy.

According to my tax return from last year, 12.8% of my income tax was used to fund retirement pensions.
SusanInFlorida · 31-35, F
@SunshineGirl social secuity receipients are distinct from pensioners. In america, if you have a pension, you're lucky. you have 2 sources of retirement income - both SSI and your employers pension. Less than 10% of americans have pensions. they have largely been replaced by "defined contribution plans" which encourage (but do not require) workers to contribute to a tax deferred account for future withdrawals. corporations often make matching contributions to a worker's account if he/she at least contributes something.

social security is a 7.X tax out of workers GROSS pay (before income tax). Workers are paying income tax on their entire gross paycheck. if they are liable for state income taxes, property tax, they can deduct those against income later. there is no deduction for mandatory social security taxes.

when someone retires, and begins to collect social security benefits, 85% of the monthly payout is subject to income tax, even though income tax was paid on the gross income when it was earned years ago.

if a private corporation tried to pull something like this, there would be a gazillion lawsuits immmediately.

thanks for your reply
SunshineGirl · 36-40, F
@SusanInFlorida Thank you for explaining. That is very different to our system.
Crazywaterspring · 61-69, M
Many retirees come to Texas due to a warmer climate and "lower taxes.". They sell their homes and get a newer place and sometimes have money left over. Then they get hit with nutty property taxes. High taxes with fewer amenities. Unless you consider very well equipped cops and fancy HS football stadiums amenities.

Governor Abbott's war on public education is rant worthy.

Boomers paid into SS for years. Now Congress is doing nothing about shoring up SS or properly funding Medicare\Medicaid.
SusanInFlorida · 31-35, F
@Crazywaterspring we have the same thing in florida no income taxes. a big chunk of the state and local spending comes from "hospitality taxes" - surcharges on Disney, restaurants, hotels, car rentals, etc.

this seems like a miracle - getting out of state visitors to fund your government - until the visitors stop coming because ticket and hotel prices are too high.

the price of a one day pass to Disney, single person, is $119 to $169, depending on the season. A family of 4 could spend $500 a day before eating or sleeping.
badminton · 61-69, MVIP
Social Security is an income-transferring trust fund. It is separate from other federal revenue and expenditures.

The corporate-wealthy class want to steal our social security funds for themselves. They care nothing that millions of seniors would be reduced to homelessness and destitute poverty. We must protect Social Security.
SusanInFlorida · 31-35, F
@badminton i'm unaware of the plot by corporations to steal the social security trust fund. is there a link to this?

i am aware that the trust fund is already paying far more than it receives in taxes, and that some combination of higher taxes and higher retirement age and lower payouts is inevitable.
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Carla · 61-69, F
@swirlie maybe i will! We absolutely need another geriatric in office. We do so well...
SusanInFlorida · 31-35, F
@swirlie funniest reply of the thread. and their kids (sons and daughters of the retirees) just want them to die, so they can get their inheritances.

but if retirees go back to work, won't that dry up all the jobs for today's youth?
swirlie · 31-35
@SusanInFlorida
but if retirees go back to work, won't that dry up all the jobs for today's youth?

Most retirees can't go back and dovetail themselves back into their old careers anyway because it took them 30 years to acquire or earn that position which they retired from.

Therefore, those positions will have been filled by the next one in line who was trying to move up the ladder, thereby leaving a vacancy at the bottom of the seniority list where a new hire comes along to start at the bottom of the ladder.

The kinds of jobs that retirees qualify for are jobs that don't take a career to move up to, such as working at Walmart or working for an airport limo service or manual labor jobs like picking fruit in my example.

The thing is, White Americans will not do farm labor anymore which means White Americans will not be the ones picking fruit EVEN IF those retirees didn't go back to work to pick fruit in my example!

That is why all the jobs will NOT dry up for today's youth if retirees go back to work.
A 57% dropout rate? cut their salaries to $7.25 an hour, they don't deserve anything past that.
SusanInFlorida · 31-35, F
@NativePortlander1970 that won't helpt the dropout rate.

crime and drugs may be involved. the police may be ineffective at their jobs, or simply accepting bribes to allow crime to continue.
@SusanInFlorida No, but the teachers would be paid what they're worth since they have a bigger drop out percentagr than those who stay in, very bad performance.

 
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