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Question for You Californians Who Enjoy Food.

I don't have to tell you groceries cost too much. Same here in the Midwest.

But how much do you think you will have to pay if your long-time favorite local grocery store's property taxes increased twenty or thirty fold?

Don't worry about those calculations because they won't raise their prices. Instead, they will shut their doors and you will have to shop at a store built more recently if older stores (around in the same location for 20-40+ years) see their property values reassessed at current values.

Sure, many stores rent the land and/or the building from landlords. But those landlords would see their property taxes skyrocket if Prop 13 was repealed. And they will pass on that cost to grocers and other retailers that elect to stay.

Of course, with less competition guess what that will do to prices at the newer-built stores.

So, if you thought Trump's tariffs caused a spike in prices, you just wait for the other shoe to step on you.
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DeWayfarer · 61-69, M
It would affect certain urban areas far more than even suburban areas. Rural area's not as much.

In Southern California say goodbye to those stores in LA, SD and Orange counties. Yes all Beachside counties.

Riverside, San Bernardino not as much. And not at all in Imperial county. The land there is worthless.

Ironic to note that only LA and Imperial counties are democratic countries. The rest are all Republican.

Oh.. the minimum wage has nothing to do with this, since they can't afford any property at all. They are all renters working on minimum wage.

Not true in the 1960s and 1970s.

Yeah I was born, raised and likely to die in Southern California. My mother OWNED her own house on minimum wage in Southern California in the 1970s.

It's not even remotely possible today, unless you win the lottery.
DeWayfarer · 61-69, M
@beckyromero thing with me is I never was into the actors. Doesn't matter what show. So anything to do with the actors I am completely blind to.

Often I don't even know their real names.
beckyromero · 36-40, F
@DeWayfarer

But it's the actors that make the shows we like. So when there's a show that I like and particular characters that I enjoy watching, I do seek out the actor's other work because that might be a show or movie I might like as well.

Example: As you know I'm a Sean Connery fan. But if I wasn't a Sean Connery fan I might never have seen (maybe eventually perhaps as my interest in history grew) A Bridge Too Far.
DeWayfarer · 61-69, M
@beckyromero the actor is not the person on the screen. I won't even get into how my father felt about actors. You wanted to make him curse, you talked about actors.
SunshineGirl · 36-40, F
Linking property taxes to up to date values may also help to correct over-heated rental and capital markets which hobble economic mobility . .
SunshineGirl · 36-40, F
@beckyromero How did the values get stranded in the 1970s? Is there no provision for revaluation, or is this an example of government trying to please everyone?

Property taxes are fantastic in theory. Very difficult to avoid/evade, and if levied correctly on land (a finite resource) should not impact negatively on economic activity (unlike sales and employment taxes). But if not updated they can quickly become regressive and have unintended consequences.
beckyromero · 36-40, F
@SunshineGirl
How did the values get stranded in the 1970s? Is there no provision for revaluation, or is this an example of government trying to please everyone?

In California, it was a voter-approved initiative that passed in June 1978 with nearly 65% of vote in response to rising annual reassessments that were literally making it financially impossible for seniors on fixed incomes and other low income and middle class homeowners to remain in their homes.

Prop 13 declared that assessments were rolled back to 1975 levels and that properties would henceforth only be reassessed when sold and that overall increases could not exceed 2% annually.
SunshineGirl · 36-40, F
@beckyromero Thank you.
Bumbles · 51-55, M
Cali here…inflation wrecking wage increases.
Let em ear cat food
You claim to be a good reader. @beckyromero
beckyromero · 36-40, F
@jackjjackson

Well, given you're such a big JD Vance supporter, I wanted you to clarify.
It was plenty clear wiseacre @beckyromero

 
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