Can any maga name which Biden immigration programs were illegal?
I don't want generalizations, I want the names of them and how it was illegal. What kinds of things did it violate and what not. K thanks
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I'm going to pin this:
The Biden administration does not have an open-border policy. Immigration studies experts say the claim that the U.S. has “open borders” under Biden is a myth that is not only inaccurate but unrealistic.
“President Joe Biden has faced repeated criticisms from Republicans and some Democrats that his border policy amounts to ‘open borders.’ This criticism is not simply inaccurate: it is unhinged from reality in a way that distinguishes itself from normal political hyperbole,” David J. Bier, director of immigration studies at the Cato Institute, said in 2021.
“U.S. immigration policy is effectively closed borders, and Biden’s immigration policies and goals are largely the same as those of President Donald Trump,” Bier added.
Rebecca Hamlin, Ph.D., director of the Legal Studies Program at the University of Massachusetts Amherst, agrees.
“I’ve been studying immigration politics for now 20 years, and I haven’t seen such a mismatch between the accusations of one party and the policies of the other, which are actually not close to open and probably stricter than what we’ve seen in a long time," Hamlin told Newsweek in 2022.
https://www.verifythis.com/article/news/verify/immigration/no-the-biden-administration-does-not-have-an-open-border-policy-donald-trump-fact-check/536-ff0e6532-1b2c-4420-a076-9f8c41766acf?
Bier says the Biden administration has also “imposed restrictions on applying for asylum far beyond those required by law.” Asylum allows people to remain in the U.S. instead of being deported to a country where they fear persecution or harm, the UN Refugee Agency says on its website.
Trump and Biden both invoked Title 42, a pandemic-era rule that Border Patrol used to “immediately expel any individual encountered attempting to enter the United States in violation of travel restrictions.” Title 42 expulsions began on March 21, 2020, and ended on May 11, 2023, when the Biden administration ended twin national emergencies for addressing COVID-19.
In April 2023, the U.S. Department of Homeland Security and the U.S. Department of State both said that “the lifting of the Title 42 order does not mean the border is open.” Instead, the agencies said that the end of Title 42 meant that the government would transition back to immigration procedures outlined in Title 8.
Under Title 8, people who unlawfully cross the border are subject to criminal consequences, including possible deportation, prosecution and a five-year bar on reentry. These penalties were not enforced under Title 42.
The Biden administration does not have an open-border policy. Immigration studies experts say the claim that the U.S. has “open borders” under Biden is a myth that is not only inaccurate but unrealistic.
“President Joe Biden has faced repeated criticisms from Republicans and some Democrats that his border policy amounts to ‘open borders.’ This criticism is not simply inaccurate: it is unhinged from reality in a way that distinguishes itself from normal political hyperbole,” David J. Bier, director of immigration studies at the Cato Institute, said in 2021.
“U.S. immigration policy is effectively closed borders, and Biden’s immigration policies and goals are largely the same as those of President Donald Trump,” Bier added.
Rebecca Hamlin, Ph.D., director of the Legal Studies Program at the University of Massachusetts Amherst, agrees.
“I’ve been studying immigration politics for now 20 years, and I haven’t seen such a mismatch between the accusations of one party and the policies of the other, which are actually not close to open and probably stricter than what we’ve seen in a long time," Hamlin told Newsweek in 2022.
https://www.verifythis.com/article/news/verify/immigration/no-the-biden-administration-does-not-have-an-open-border-policy-donald-trump-fact-check/536-ff0e6532-1b2c-4420-a076-9f8c41766acf?
Bier says the Biden administration has also “imposed restrictions on applying for asylum far beyond those required by law.” Asylum allows people to remain in the U.S. instead of being deported to a country where they fear persecution or harm, the UN Refugee Agency says on its website.
Trump and Biden both invoked Title 42, a pandemic-era rule that Border Patrol used to “immediately expel any individual encountered attempting to enter the United States in violation of travel restrictions.” Title 42 expulsions began on March 21, 2020, and ended on May 11, 2023, when the Biden administration ended twin national emergencies for addressing COVID-19.
In April 2023, the U.S. Department of Homeland Security and the U.S. Department of State both said that “the lifting of the Title 42 order does not mean the border is open.” Instead, the agencies said that the end of Title 42 meant that the government would transition back to immigration procedures outlined in Title 8.
Under Title 8, people who unlawfully cross the border are subject to criminal consequences, including possible deportation, prosecution and a five-year bar on reentry. These penalties were not enforced under Title 42.
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Captainjackass · 31-35, M
@SatanBurger they just blindly believe whatever lie fox news says because it makes them feel better about being racist and never talking to women.
SatanBurger · 36-40, F
@Captainjackass One of them below told me that cnn wasn't a good source but then they parrot things that only fox news said.
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Jackaloftheazuresand · 26-30, M
Under Biden the DHS did not release people with NTAs which was ruled by a federal judge to be a violation of the Administrative Procedure Act and the Immigration and Nationality Act. This was a violation because they were not following procedure to detain and implemented improper paperwork to stand in for the NTA. This alternative paperwork was NTR which does not create a booking system or judicial review for the person it is assigned to. They justified this by saying that it was in a response to surges but these surges could have been avoided if the CBP had been better funded. 104,171 got these NTRs and 49,859 showed up, of which 12,698 were after their deadline. 47,705 never showed up. Mayorkas's offered a September 2021 testimony of a 75% compliance but this was likely because he was using NTA compliance rather than NTR since NTRs have little formal record keeping. Simply put, the administration didn't enforce policy when they should and they cooked the books to cover it up.
SatanBurger · 36-40, F
@Jackaloftheazuresand But using NTRs instead of NTAs isn’t an "open border policy" by design, it was an emergency processing method because of overcrowding, not an official policy to let everyone in without consequence.
And I'm also not trying to argue so I'm not intentionally being rude here but are you saying Biden intentionally wants open borders, or that his administration mishandled the border?
Because policy-wise, he kept Title 42 for a long time and continued deportations
And I'm also not trying to argue so I'm not intentionally being rude here but are you saying Biden intentionally wants open borders, or that his administration mishandled the border?
Because policy-wise, he kept Title 42 for a long time and continued deportations
Jackaloftheazuresand · 26-30, M
@SatanBurger So they claim but like I said, that emergency exists because the left doesn't prioritize immigration enforcement. They underfund the agency that deals with it then put plans in place for those consequences rather than just stopping it at the source. Essentially there's a busted pipe flooding the basement but they just keep trying to absorb the water.
I think determining intention here is fruitless, whether they do it on purpose or out of stupidity doesn't really matter to me but it's probably both because there's a lot of hands. Idiot does something, smarter guy runs interception for idiot rather than throw him out on his ass.
A lot of things go undisclosed and what we see is what sells a lie
I think determining intention here is fruitless, whether they do it on purpose or out of stupidity doesn't really matter to me but it's probably both because there's a lot of hands. Idiot does something, smarter guy runs interception for idiot rather than throw him out on his ass.
A lot of things go undisclosed and what we see is what sells a lie
Captainjackass · 31-35, M
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SatanBurger · 36-40, F
@Captainjackass They have a post about wanting to get a foot massage by a nice woman and her profile says female. Tell me you're a 70 year old maga male without telling me lol 😆
Captainjackass · 31-35, M
@SatanBurger to be fair it’s quite complicated selecting from male or female on here. Clicking one or the other is hard.
SatanBurger · 36-40, F
@Sandra72 Trump is changing Biden's policies so the people who got in through legal channels are suddenly finding themselves undocumented. People who went to school under Biden's programs, got jobs and had children.
So I'm gonna ask again, which programs of Biden's were illegal?
You can't say open borders if Biden had policies in place to accept immigrants doing it the right way.
This is called a contradiction, two of those statements can't be true. You can't have open borders and Biden's policies that allowed people to come through legally.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/trump-deportation-undocumented-immigrants-policy-change-rcna213356
So I'm gonna ask again, which programs of Biden's were illegal?
You can't say open borders if Biden had policies in place to accept immigrants doing it the right way.
This is called a contradiction, two of those statements can't be true. You can't have open borders and Biden's policies that allowed people to come through legally.
Flo, 31, had gone from a bleak future in Haiti to hope for a new life; she had landed a cashier’s job in her new city of Miami after coming to the country legally with a sponsor. Then, President Donald Trump declared that she and more than 1 million other people did not have legal permission to stay in the country.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/trump-deportation-undocumented-immigrants-policy-change-rcna213356
“If you’re looking for the definition of ‘self-fulling prophesy,’ look no further than Trump’s stream of policies that intentionally take legal status away from people so they go from being documented, to undocumented and then are fair game for being deported,” said Angela Kelley, an adviser at the American Immigration Lawyers Association and a former senior adviser on immigration for the Department of Homeland Security under the Biden administration.
“The Trump administration is creating a larger class of undocumented people by literally de-legalizing them and taking away their work authorization early,” Karen Tumlin, founder and director of Justice Action Center, said in a statement.
“The Trump administration is creating a larger class of undocumented people by literally de-legalizing them and taking away their work authorization early,” Karen Tumlin, founder and director of Justice Action Center, said in a statement.
In Haiti, Flo was working to help youth in need and had returned to school to finish her university studies in psychology. But she saw no future for her and her young daughter and no chance to build a life.
She was living in rural Fort Liberté, in the northern part of the country, where violence was not as bad as in Port-au-Prince but where gangs were beginning to extend their reach, she told NBC News in her native Creole.
“I felt like I was just existing. There was no future — you can’t build anything, not even save enough to buy a car. Some people had it even worse — no food or shelter ... There is truly no future,” she said.
Flo was sponsored to come to the U.S. by her aunt, making it possible for her to work in the U.S. and also support her daughter and family in Haiti.
“It felt like a second chance at life. I’m someone who likes to work and has strong willpower. It was a new experience and a new beginning,” Flo said.
“I felt like I was just existing. There was no future — you can’t build anything, not even save enough to buy a car. Some people had it even worse — no food or shelter ... There is truly no future,” she said.
Flo was sponsored to come to the U.S. by her aunt, making it possible for her to work in the U.S. and also support her daughter and family in Haiti.
“It felt like a second chance at life. I’m someone who likes to work and has strong willpower. It was a new experience and a new beginning,” Flo said.
SatanBurger · 36-40, F
@ElwoodBlues I think as someone mentioned you can't expect them to read. It's why they over simplify everything
SatanBurger · 36-40, F
@Sandra72 Okay let's try it your way, got a link to a neutral source about Biden's supposed open border policies?
dale74 · M
@SatanBurger https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-56491941
SatanBurger · 36-40, F
@dale74 That article doesn’t show an “open border” policy. It shows that Biden reversed some of Trump’s harsher measures, like forcing asylum seekers to stay in Mexico, but he still kept border enforcement in place. Even the BBC article says the administration told migrants not to come and continued expulsions under Title 42. “Open border” is just a talking point – there’s no actual policy that says people can just come in freely without checks.
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Captainjackass · 31-35, M
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_administration_family_separation_policy
Here is literally proof that he made the policy himself on purpose to separate kids from their families. But all the right wing incels on here will never believe or even read it because they refuse to believe they could ever be wrong.
Here is literally proof that he made the policy himself on purpose to separate kids from their families. But all the right wing incels on here will never believe or even read it because they refuse to believe they could ever be wrong.
Sandra72 · 51-55, F
@SatanBurger we're resorting to cheap insults now. Nothing intelligent to say?
Sandra72 · 51-55, F
@SatanBurger there was nothing false about anything I said. Biden and Harris destroyed your country. So badly In fact that Trump won the popular vote and is doing exactly what he promised
SatanBurger · 36-40, F
@Sandra72 That's not true at all.
https://www.verifythis.com/article/news/verify/immigration/no-the-biden-administration-does-not-have-an-open-border-policy-donald-trump-fact-check/536-ff0e6532-1b2c-4420-a076-9f8c41766acf?
https://www.verifythis.com/article/news/verify/immigration/no-the-biden-administration-does-not-have-an-open-border-policy-donald-trump-fact-check/536-ff0e6532-1b2c-4420-a076-9f8c41766acf?
The Biden administration does not have an open-border policy. Immigration studies experts say the claim that the U.S. has “open borders” under Biden is a myth that is not only inaccurate but unrealistic.
“President Joe Biden has faced repeated criticisms from Republicans and some Democrats that his border policy amounts to ‘open borders.’ This criticism is not simply inaccurate: it is unhinged from reality in a way that distinguishes itself from normal political hyperbole,” David J. Bier, director of immigration studies at the Cato Institute, said in 2021.
“U.S. immigration policy is effectively closed borders, and Biden’s immigration policies and goals are largely the same as those of President Donald Trump,” Bier added.
Rebecca Hamlin, Ph.D., director of the Legal Studies Program at the University of Massachusetts Amherst, agrees.
“I’ve been studying immigration politics for now 20 years, and I haven’t seen such a mismatch between the accusations of one party and the policies of the other, which are actually not close to open and probably stricter than what we’ve seen in a long time," Hamlin told Newsweek in 2022.
“President Joe Biden has faced repeated criticisms from Republicans and some Democrats that his border policy amounts to ‘open borders.’ This criticism is not simply inaccurate: it is unhinged from reality in a way that distinguishes itself from normal political hyperbole,” David J. Bier, director of immigration studies at the Cato Institute, said in 2021.
“U.S. immigration policy is effectively closed borders, and Biden’s immigration policies and goals are largely the same as those of President Donald Trump,” Bier added.
Rebecca Hamlin, Ph.D., director of the Legal Studies Program at the University of Massachusetts Amherst, agrees.
“I’ve been studying immigration politics for now 20 years, and I haven’t seen such a mismatch between the accusations of one party and the policies of the other, which are actually not close to open and probably stricter than what we’ve seen in a long time," Hamlin told Newsweek in 2022.
Bier says the Biden administration has also “imposed restrictions on applying for asylum far beyond those required by law.” Asylum allows people to remain in the U.S. instead of being deported to a country where they fear persecution or harm, the UN Refugee Agency says on its website.
Trump and Biden both invoked Title 42, a pandemic-era rule that Border Patrol used to “immediately expel any individual encountered attempting to enter the United States in violation of travel restrictions.” Title 42 expulsions began on March 21, 2020, and ended on May 11, 2023, when the Biden administration ended twin national emergencies for addressing COVID-19.
In April 2023, the U.S. Department of Homeland Security and the U.S. Department of State both said that “the lifting of the Title 42 order does not mean the border is open.” Instead, the agencies said that the end of Title 42 meant that the government would transition back to immigration procedures outlined in Title 8.
Under Title 8, people who unlawfully cross the border are subject to criminal consequences, including possible deportation, prosecution and a five-year bar on reentry. These penalties were not enforced under Title 42.
Trump and Biden both invoked Title 42, a pandemic-era rule that Border Patrol used to “immediately expel any individual encountered attempting to enter the United States in violation of travel restrictions.” Title 42 expulsions began on March 21, 2020, and ended on May 11, 2023, when the Biden administration ended twin national emergencies for addressing COVID-19.
In April 2023, the U.S. Department of Homeland Security and the U.S. Department of State both said that “the lifting of the Title 42 order does not mean the border is open.” Instead, the agencies said that the end of Title 42 meant that the government would transition back to immigration procedures outlined in Title 8.
Under Title 8, people who unlawfully cross the border are subject to criminal consequences, including possible deportation, prosecution and a five-year bar on reentry. These penalties were not enforced under Title 42.
Border crossings still remained at record highs in late 2023. To combat this issue, Biden unveiled plans in June to halt asylum processing at the U.S.-Mexico border when illegal entries reach a threshold he deems excessive. The measure took effect immediately because the policy is triggered when arrests for illegal entry reach 2,500, according to senior administration officials. About 4,000 people already are entering the U.S. each day.VERIFY found that it’s not possible for Biden or any other president to completely shut down the border, with an executive order or otherwise, because doing so would violate existing federal laws.
A president can, however, issue an executive order to restrict certain groups of people from entering the U.S., as Trump and others have done in the past.
Julia Gelatt, associate director of the U.S. Immigration Policy Program at the Migration Policy Institute, told VERIFY in March that the idea of a completely closed border is not realistic.
“I think maybe people imagine that the border would be fully closed – that nobody could come across unless they had a legal visa and were coming to a legal crossing point. In reality, that’s not possible,” Gelatt said
A president can, however, issue an executive order to restrict certain groups of people from entering the U.S., as Trump and others have done in the past.
Julia Gelatt, associate director of the U.S. Immigration Policy Program at the Migration Policy Institute, told VERIFY in March that the idea of a completely closed border is not realistic.
“I think maybe people imagine that the border would be fully closed – that nobody could come across unless they had a legal visa and were coming to a legal crossing point. In reality, that’s not possible,” Gelatt said
LordShadowfire · 46-50, M
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