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MoveAlong · 70-79, M
No formal commitment was made to not move NATO east. Some claim there was a verbal commitment. Gorbachev has claimed there was a commitment in some interviews and denied it in others. So, tough luck Russia.
@MoveAlong yes, even the UN charter is abusable. Not a formal commitment for the USA!
And that's important to remember. Don't expect peace, they look only pause the aggression and they're taking everything away.
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helenS · 36-40, F
Ukraine gave Russia its nuclear weapons and Russia promised not to attack Ukraine in return, in a written memorandum, 30 years ago.

Ukraine is a free country, they can join any union they want.

If Russia wants to defend itself, they should do so on their own ground.
@helenS That would be the claim if you know nothing about what is going on and just blindly accept the propaganda you are fed uncritically.

If reality doesn't fit your cold war cliches, sorry not sorry.

And you are the one who blindly supports a literal dictatorship because you are told to. Nothing you have said on this subject is correct.
Khenpal1 · M
@helenS Yes , but in Russia their dna it says there are 400 years behind. Don't use western standards to understand them. Ukraine cant join any thing , they are 20 years behind .
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Please provide data? Maybe a time-line with named policies?
@SinlessOnslaught right. It's about me. Always remember that when expansion of the genocide is the norm for you. No reason to investigate, stay ignore and ridicule me and let the West self solve. Impressive death rates! Going down. Yup.r
@Roundandroundwego Sorry for saying that, I edited it out. I do think I've shown a desire to understand you and even what I edited out wasn't that rude.

Have a good day.
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The truth doesn't fit the political narrative.

And the narrative allows people in the west to keep believing they are the white knights and the heroes of the world even when reality proves otherwise.
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