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Is the modern right preparing for the end times?

The political actions of the tech oligarchs make sense if they think that most of humanity is going to die due to an environmental catastrophe, and they get to rule what is left. From Elon's obsession with colonising Mars to Theil's network states, it does show (cynical) long-term thinking. The Trump administration's obsession with taking Canada and Greenland also makes a lot more sense in a world where the Earth's temperature has risen by a few degrees and these places are far more habitable.

They also believe in network states, which are small nations run on a corporate structure where AI and robots do most of the work, and they are completely unchallenged. Their alliance with Trump and the MAGA movement can be seen as a method for accelerating American decline and ensuring that they have appropriate control over what is left. These would seem like ridiculous ideas and dystopian. However, Peter Thiel has been on record as being against democracy; he wrote a foreword to a book that predicted this outcome. Curtis Yarvin (praised by Theil and Vance) has written an essay on how to dismantle the US government (like DOGE has done)

Gil Duran is the world's most important journalist.

https://www.thenerdreich.com/

Naomi Klein (a long read but excellent) on the links between MAGA and the tech oligarchs.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2025/apr/13/end-times-fascism-far-right-trump-musk

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The Trump administration may be incompetent and riddled with contradictions but it's not based on madness. It has plans and a vision; Nihilistic and cynical though that may be.
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ArishMell · 70-79, M
I did think about Trump's possible motives in his first attempt to rule the world.

When he made a State Visit (self-invited or normal protocol?) to Britain in 2016 he waffled on about the USA taking over Greenland and the NHS; thus upsetting the Danes, Greenlanders and his hosts at around the same time.

Until then I suppose most of we Britons knew of him only as a shortbread-tin Scottish, but fully American national, property-speculator who somehow obtained planning-permission to destroy a Site of Special Scientific Interest (so protected by law) in Scotland, merely to build a golf-course.

We knew from his campaigning he'd been loudly dismissing climate-change, a matter too scientific for him, as a hoax or even a lie. That was superficially to please his country's own coal, oil and automotive industries and the Republican voters among their employees.

What I do not recall, were many people at the time spotting the link. I had realised Greenland may well have useful minerals under its ice-covered ground... Caring about and for its inhabitants or their environment would not be relevant to Trump as long as the island, annexed or still foreign territory, can be plundered for those resources by American mining companies.

We also realised that Trump has the diplomatic skills of a wildebeeste, and not much better education; but I thought a little deeper:

"For all his apparent dim-ness, insensitivity and naivety, this man is sly and driven by money. So what, " I wondered, "is he up to?"

A little study of an atlas and some knowledge of basic geology made it all glaringly obvious.

.......

Regarding the obsessions of Musk and the others, it's hard to treat them with any credibility.

Musk - who also dreams or fathering unfeasible numbers of children he thinks will all be super-intelligent 'cos he imagines he is - did qualify in IT but all his space-exploration ideas were inspired more by space-fiction than understanding its reality. Though I suppose, as with the Tesla car firm, his role is just that of speculator who doesn't need know which end of a spanner is which, or a Watt from a Joule.

The rest of this type might have their oligarchical ldreams but how realistic they are is anyone's guess, and their careers probably hang very much on what Donald Trump does, or does not do.

I wonder if they will end like the Russian oligarchs who helped and were supported in turn by Vladimir Putin, until he had no further use for them so now likely worry how near they are to poisoned scent-bottles... I don't go as far as saying their (the American ones') lives are in danger but their livelihoods may well be as fragile as their egoes, if Trump has no further use for them.
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@ArishMell Not for nothing are Bernie and AOC doing an anti oligarchy tour in America.
ArishMell · 70-79, M
@Burnley123 Indeed. Perhaps in time people will be quoting that old line, "How are the mighty fallen".
FreddieUK · 70-79, M
@ArishMell I look forward to that day.
Bumbles · 51-55, M
I tend to think the revenge of the Tech Bros began with their losing social status.

The left and left of center began to turn against them (especially as it was revealed how harmful and manipulative social media is) as did their employees on group chat threads, and demands to keep working from home post COVID.

Add their inherent sexism, coupled with incel misogyny, and the inherent belief rules shouldn’t apply to them, and the warm embrace of Trumpsim seems like a natural fit. Trump’s embrace of crypto as a force for corruption also sped this marriage up.

American survivalism has been around for a while along with right wing militias. Also, a natural fit for Trumpism.

The rise of hunting culture as a new masculine virtue fits in here somewhere. (Rogan, Trump Jr.). God, how insufferable Zuckerberg must be talking about hunting…
ArishMell · 70-79, M
I tried to follow those links. The Guardian one demanded I either allow access to about 130 commercial "partners" or pay a "subscription". I don't object to freely buying a printed newspaper that happens to carry passive advertising but I am not playing those games!

The "Nerdreich" one didn't really enlightme me verymuch and I did not discover who this Theil bloke is, but more impoertantly I learnt men like him and Elon Musk are after riches beyond anyone else's wildest dreams, and power. But power of what, wielded how and over what or whom?

How, presumably by using the Internet as a gigantic propaganda machine while raking in money from advertising revenues, "subscriptions" and hidden personal-data sales to any old rich spiv or dodgy sovereign wealth-fund going. It was all very vague as to what they want to do and why (apart from making even more money beyond what they can sensibly spend).

I thought the Heritage Foundation (concocter of the "Project 25" campaign) bad enough, but at least that talking-shop of arcane business-people, sanctimonious para-religious cults and strange clubs with opaque names does have its own, easily-available web-site on which to tell us all what sort of Handmaid's Tale America it wants to control.

The Thiel types though seem more hidden, and maybe that's where their danger lies.

Who the Hell are these men, what do they want, and why do they imagine they have the right to have it?
SunshineGirl · 36-40, F
I think the more insightful conservatives are coming to realise how unsustainable their regular economic pursuits are and have determined to grab as much as possible for themselves before the whole thing blows up.
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@SunshineGirl That is part of it, yes. The West is in decline and understanding this is crucial to understanding Trumpism. The tariffs' idea is an own goal, it's based on an idea of grabbing onto more of a shrinking pie. Exploiting (frankly, extorting) former allies is part of that rationale.

Our economic models (and what we take for granted) are unsustainable in another way too. The planet can not take much more of the things that drove growth. If you have wealth and power but accept that a climate catastrophe is inevitable, why wouldn't you make plans to ensure that you are insulated (or further benefit from) a slow-burn collapse?

Klein's argument is essentially that.
RedBaron · M
They are. Unless, of course, they aren’t.
Elessar · 26-30, M
They ARE ridiculous ideas completely divorced from reality, even in case of a successful US takeover.

That's the western equivalent of the Russian delusion of being able to annex Ukraine and Moldova in 3-15 days with 1970 to 1930 equipment
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@Elessar But they have tremendous money and power. They are at the cutting edge of AI and control social media platforms. Also, they are aligned to the MAGA movement, which is (however unwittingly) supporting their plans. No Trump supporter is going to listen to you or me about anything.

They are also up against a Democratic Party and state apparatus which has been mostly ineffective. I don't expect it to completely succeed in the short term, but at the very least, it will do a lot of damage.. It's Theil people need to worry about more than Musk.
Elessar · 26-30, M
@Burnley123 Putin arguably has even more power and money (yeah the country's economy is smaller but wealth distribution is more concentrated towards the top; Musk is allegedly the richest man on the planet only because we don't know how much the alikes of Putin are really worth - I'd speculate they're already in the trillionaires camp), and definitely also popularity at home. And here we are, he's in the position where a single rogue drunkard and 2000 men nearly toppled him, and he's in a 3+ years stalemate against a country with 1/10 his own military capacity, even now with the main ally neutralized by Thiel.

 
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