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America’s richest university sues US government to keep taxpayer money coming



Okay – “the richest” university would be Harvard, in case anyone needed help with this low-level Jeopardy question. Harvard is terrified that the government might reduce or cut off their taxpayer funded welfare. That would be a threat to $2.2 billion immediately, and around $9 billion in total. See link below.

Harvard has an endowment of $53 billion. Endowments are kind of like an IRA. Special tax rules, and your bank account keeps growing, year after year. Harvard is richer than Rupert Murdoch and Melissa French Gates – combined. You’d be outraged if Rupert Murdoch was getting billion dollar checks from the US government, wouldn’t you?

Here’s Harvard’s specific complaint: they refuse appoint an independent advisor to help ensure their classes and course material are “diverse”. Diverse is in quotes because it’s Harvard’s SPECIFIC objection. Harvard is now apparently against DEI. Last year they were for it. I guess the wrong kind of diversity must be resisted at all costs. It could be an existential threat to a university.

This case, of course, is probably going to end up in the US Supreme Court. Where four of the Justices graduated from Harvard Law School: Ketanji Brown Jackson, Gorsuch, Elena Kagan, and Chief Justice Roberts. Another 4 justices graduated from Yale, Harvard’s historic rival. This case could be better than the annual Harvard-Yale football game. (Harvard usually wins that. A rivalry that's been happening since 1875 - 150 years).

Harvard’s attorneys and administrators have another complaint: “Government should not dictate what universities teach”. Yeah, tell that to the politicians who are screaming bloody murder about the impending death of the US Department of Education. The DOE's sole mission was to dictate public school curriculums.

Of course, the Trump administration has a different story: this is about the recent pro-Hamas/antisemitic protests on campus. Replete with vandalism, arson, interruption of classes, cancellation of exams, and intimidation of students suspected of being Jewish. Well, I can see how protecting the rights of a religious minority and ending violent protests would sound alarm bells to a college sitting on a $53 billion bank account.

This wouldn't be the first time Harvard was on the wrong side of history. Until the state of Massachusetts outlawed slavery in the 18th century, Harvard faculty and staff owned dozens of slaves.

I'm just sayin' . . .

First Thing: Harvard sues Trump administration over grants freeze

Harvard University endowment - Wikipedia
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The "DEI" try he administration has in mind would entail government monitors approving or denying admissions, hiring, and class content. This would turn Harvard into an educational mouthpiece for the administration. And as Columbia learned, once you have in to a bully, they keep coming back for more.

Also, that $2 billion includes vital scientific research into disease cures as well as other areas. I'm sure if you looked you could find some things you personally disapprove of, bitthe bottom line is the administration reneging on an an existing agreement to browbeat Harvard into caving in. Every institution and law firm should stand together against this.
SusanInFlorida · 31-35, F
@LeopoldBloom is there a link to support this? i didn't see one. all i saw was something about ensuring that harvards course content was not full of flaming anti-semitic rhetoric.
CountScrofula · 41-45, M
Institutional autonomy of universities to be free of government interference is a basic, fundamental principle of any university or college. It's why concepts like academic freedom and tenure exist.

Without these protections, post-secondary just turns into mindless pro-government propaganda. You know, like this post.

There's reasonable discussions to be had about public funding of private universities, but the notion that providing an endowment to one of the most respected universities on the planet is somehow a waste of taxpayer dollars is absurd.
SusanInFlorida · 31-35, F
@CountScrofula autonomy of universities is fine, as long as they pay for their own autonomy. if they want to use my tax dollars, then I can elect representatives who conduct oversight into how my money is spent.
Actually, Harvard doesn't get money from the US government. The money goes to Harvard affiliated researchers who have won grants, mostly from the National Institutes of Health, but also CDC, NSF, and other government agencies.

The NIH invests most of its nearly $48 billion budget1 in medical research for the American people.

Nearly 83 percent2 of NIH’s funding is awarded for extramural research, largely through almost 50,000 competitive grants to more than 300,000 researchers at more than 2,500 universities, medical schools, and other research institutions in every state.

You can read about the NIH's rigorous grant application review process here: https://grants.nih.gov/grants-process/review/first-level

Harvard's affiliated teaching and research hospital, Massachusetts General Hospital, is one of the highest ranked hospitals in the world. As such, it attracts top research talent, and that talent wins its share of competitive health research grants.


A few Mass General innovations




➤ 1923: World’s first successful heart valve surgery

➤ 1954: First successful human organ transplant, the kidney

➤ 1979: First use of MRI (magnetic resonance imaging) to diagnose illness and injury

➤ 1996: Key brain findings in Alzheimer’s disease lead to the first FDA-approved treatments




You, [SusanInFlorida], and your orange god, are attempting to punish Harvard and Mass General merely for being very good at producing healthcare breakthroughs. SAD!!
SusanInFlorida · 31-35, F
@ElwoodBlues last time i checked. the NIH was considered "the US government". If harvard wants to keep getting taxpayer dollars, they can stop hamas sympathizers from more wanton arson and attacks on students they suspect of being jewish.

or not. the choice is theirs
@SusanInFlorida Please go back and actually read what I wrote. I said nothing about where the money was coming from. Continued below.

BTW, can you substantiate your claims of arson and attacks on the Harvard campus? I didn't think so.


Continuing to respond, what I said is that the money doesn't go to Harvard. The money goes to Harvard affiliated researchers who have won grants, mostly from the National Institutes of Health, but also CDC, NSF, and other government agencies.

You can read about the NIH's rigorous grant application review process here: https://grants.nih.gov/grants-process/review/first-level

BTW, investigating the research grant process for you seems to have put Harvard on my feed, and it yielded this:

Harvard researchers awarded Breakthrough Prizes

This guy worked for 25 years to make his MS breakthrough
Alberto Ascherio, a professor of epidemiology and nutrition at the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health and a professor of medicine at Harvard Medical School, was recognized for work establishing Epstein-Barr virus infection as leading cause of multiple sclerosis.

... he discovery revolutionized the field of MS research, and a vaccine and antibody drugs that target Epstein-Barr are now in development. “It’s virtually a consensus now that Epstein-Barr is the leading cause of MS,” Ascherio said. “I’m happy to say that finally, after 25 years, it’s been a big splash.”

Joel Habener, a professor at Harvard Medical School, was part of a group of scientists honored for contributions to the discovery and characterization of the hormone glucagon-like peptide-1, or GLP-1 — findings that subsequently led to the development of treatments based on GLP-1.

... The body of research conducted by the five scientists, supported in part by federal funding, has dramatically advanced understanding of how GLP-1 functions in the body. Notably, their work contributed to the development of GLP-1 drugs, which have revolutionized treatment for Type 2 diabetes and obesity.

David Liu — the Richard Merkin Professor at the Broad Institute, director of the institute’s Merkin Institute for Transformative Technologies in Healthcare, and the Thomas Dudley Cabot Professor of the Natural Sciences at Harvard — was honored for the development of the gene editing platforms base editing and prime editing, which can correct the vast majority of known disease-causing genetic variations and have already been used in at least 15 clinical trials, with life-saving results. Base editing was recently used to achieve the first-ever correction of a disease-causing mutation in patients.

Base editing, which Liu’s team developed in 2016, is a gene editing technique that directly converts an individual DNA base pair into a different base pair. Prime editing, which Liu’s group pioneered three years later, can make insertions, deletions, and substitutions up to hundreds of base pairs long in the genome.

Since their initial development, both base editing and prime editing have been used by thousands of laboratories around the world and have enabled the study and potential treatment of many genetic diseases.

“The real heroes behind our work are the incredibly talented graduate students, postdocs, and collaborators who worked tirelessly to develop these technologies in ways that would allow them to benefit society,” said Liu. “Without their dedication, this work would not be possible. The honor of my professional life is to be able to work with and support such a vibrant group of scientists.”
Harvard’s attorneys and administrators have another complaint: “Government should not dictate what universities teach”. Yeah, tell that to the politicians who are screaming bloody murder about the impending death of the US Department of Education. The DOE's sole mission was to dictate public school curriculums.
(Emphasis added.)

No. Again, you go off on a rant.

From the wikipedia

A) Proper abbreviation

Its official abbreviation is ED ("DOE" refers to the United States Department of Energy) but is also abbreviated informally as "DoEd".[8]

B) Purpose
The department identifies four key functions:[15]

1) Establishing policies on federal financial aid for education and distributing as well as monitoring those funds.

2) Collecting data on America's schools and disseminating research.

3) Focusing national attention on key issues in education and making recommendations for education reform.

4) Prohibiting discrimination and ensuring equal access to education.

The Department of Education is a member of the United States Interagency Council on Homelessness[16] and works with federal partners to ensure proper education for homeless and runaway youth in the United States.
SusanInFlorida · 31-35, F
@SomeMichGuy thanks for making my point! The average parent in small town amerca does NOT want the federal government . . .

1 - establishing policies for local schools

2 - collecting data on the pupils, their parents, their medical records, etc

3 - making top down decisions as to what the "key issues in education are", at least without exensive public input.

4 - the DOJ is charged with enforcing america's laws. Not the department of education. Each federal agency is not a private police force.
@SusanInFlorida You apparently can't read, because your eliding of 1 & 2, and your commentary on 3 is based upon what? The data collected in 2 points to those issues.

But if you don't like the Federal government trying to improve education, you ought to really hate Texas for making textbooks used everywhere crazy, and Florida for making ahistorical fiction as "history" straight out of the "Lost Cause" playbook.

And as for 4, the Federal government can't discriminate, and education is fundamental to free societies, so equal access as an obvious consequence of the Equal Protection Clause is a MANDATE of the Constitution, so the ED is following that mandate.
@SusanInFlorida asks
if they don't need the money, then why the lawsuit?

Because Congress allocated the money to NIH, NSF, etc to distribute in grants, and Harvard affiliated researchers submitted bids for and won some of those grants in a rigorous competitive process (Harvard isn't alone in winning grants; 300,000 researchers at 2500 universities have also done so).

Harvard is standing up for its people – people who have made and continue to make breakthroughs in research.

You, @SusanInFlorida, and your orange god, are attempting to punish Harvard and Mass General merely for being very good at producing healthcare breakthroughs. SAD!!
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@SusanInFlorida says
like condoning and encouraging antisemitic attacks by Hamas sympathizers?


(1) I've proposed no such "theory." Attempting to put words in my mouth; is that the best you can do??

(2)I've asked you to substantiate your allegations of "attacks" or "violence" or "arson" at Harvard, and you've come up empty-handed so far. Care to try again??
SunshineGirl · 36-40, F
As @ElwoodBlues has pointed out, federal grants go to specific researchers for specific projects. The money has to be accounted for by clearly documenting the outcomes of those projects. They go nowhere near the university's endowment fund and represent much better value for money than similar R&D contracts to Musk's companies which will be depleted by the profit margin.

Rupert Murdoch has never attempted world class academic research (or arguably world class anything else) so this is a false equivalence.
The endowment isn't an IRA and isn't a problem.

The problem is far more than that element, it is about the Federal government trying to control academic freedom of universities.
SusanInFlorida · 31-35, F
@SomeMichGuy @SomeMichGuy @SomeMichGuy @SomeMichGuy

once you accept federal grants, your subject to federal oversight. especially if you break the law, like condoning racism and discrimination.

i'm surprised you need a reminder of fundamental rights like this.
@SusanInFlorida So you admit that discrimination is against the law?

Then the ED is doing its part to encourage no law-breaking.

And it was the ED that went after for-profit schools (who are a major source of the student loan problem; policing the certificate programs--the 2-yr schools--which promise jobs but don't follow through)...that was a good thing.

And it shows why accreditation and standards matter.

But you are way behind on the He issue, and on the wrong side of it.
SusanInFlorida · 31-35, F
@SomeMichGuy clearly harvard and columbia were breaking the law. anyone can see that.
@SusanInFlorida says
If harvard wants to keep getting taxpayer dollars, they can stop hamas sympathizers from more wanton arson and attacks on students they suspect of being jewish.
I'm still waiting for any evidence whatsoever of attacks or arson at Harvard. I'm still waiting for you to substantiate the claims you made two weeks ago, with or without any Hamas connection.

Oh, and in the mean time, our esteemed Secretary of Education has written out what she thinks Harvard has done wrong. Know what's missing from her epistle (other than college level grammar)? There is no mention in the McMahon letter of the original justification for the Trump administration’s continuing attack on elite universities: anti-Semitism.

Have complaints been filed with the Office of Civil Rights? Has an investigation been conducted? Has the institution in question been provided with a list of possible corrective measures? Nope.

No allegations of anti-Semitism, much less evidence for it. Seems the real "crime" Harvard has committed is not being in agreement with Tяump cult politics.
SusanInFlorida · 31-35, F
@ElwoodBlues here you go. be sure to read it all, not just the headline, like you so often do

https://www.msn.com/en-us/society-culture-and-history/social-issues/harvard-antisemitism-report-details-extensive-anti-israel-bias-holocaust-erasure/ar-AA1DWd08?ocid=BingNewsSerp
@SusanInFlorida Using the search tool of my browser, I searched for words like "violence" "violent" "attack" "arson" and "fire." The word "violence" appears once; describing activities in Gaza, not Cambridge, MA. The word "attack" only occurs referring to the Hamas attack on Israel on Oct 7; NEVER in reference to activities in Cambridge, MA. The words "arson" and "fire" never occur.

In short, you did NOT substantiate the claims you made regarding violence or arson at Harvard, with or without any Hamas connection. Care to try again??

exchrist · 31-35
Endowments is the equivalent of having a well insulated high interest savings account. Pulling funding from universities of any size is playing with fire. Djt got a rejection letter from Harvard when he applied? Went to penn State instead? Probably. Its an ongoing process any federal grants\funding are tied to compliance and resesech initiatives.
Cut federal funding expect lesser quality research and fewer more biased results.
Furthermore if these are "DEI" cuts. Would America prefer the worlds best talent go to foreign institutions?
Apparently Trumps administration does.
SusanInFlorida · 31-35, F
@exchrist

not at all corrrect. See link below. The endowment's asset allocation is 34% private equity, 33% hedge funds, 14% equities, 8% cash, 5% real estate, 4% fixed income/TIPS, and 1% each to natural resources and other real assets.

https://flybynightgraphics.com/articles/what-does-the-harvard-endowment-invest-in/1781

if harvard wants to hire professors from foreign nations, or enroll foreign students, let them use their own money.

taxpayer dollars - if given at all - should benefit US citizens. If some foreign professor wants harvard money, let them become a citizen.
exchrist · 31-35
@SusanInFlorida ill read up but im doing stuff atm. So what did Trump cut?i didnt see federal funds in there at all.
Nice misrepresentation. This is not about the money. Harvard doesn't need the money. But they have the ability to fight a case that if not challenged would allow Trump to turn American universities into basically bogus radical religious and brainwashing centres instead of actual universities.

Places designed to make people conform to the MAGA ideological not to actually learn anything of value. That is where this leads.
@SusanInFlorida Again. Because if they let this stand no other institution has the clout to take this on and American universities will just become MAGA brainwashing centres.

Harvard is not a for profit corporation. And the reason why it is one of the top universities in the world is because it is staffed by people who can see beyond dollar signs and short term gains.
SusanInFlorida · 31-35, F
@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow my theory is that when universities, or corporations, or even government agencies break fundamental laws to protect race/religion/gender, they should be held accountable.

there is no right to receive more government money in the future if you don't take action to stop committing violations of basic constitutional rights.
@SusanInFlorida Except nobody is breaking laws except Trump who is trying to force a federal mandated ideology.


Again. the only one violating rights is Trump by saying "do what I say or else".

Seems you are totally fine with a dictatorship as long as the dictator has an R beside their name.
Kwek00 · 41-45, M
Is there anyone here that can clarify how any of these funds can qualify as "welfare"?
Because most of the sources I read about this, say that the majority of these funds go to research and development. What part goes to "welfare" exactly? Or is this just more ignorance and demagoguery?
SusanInFlorida · 31-35, F
@Kwek00 i love it when hyper-partisans call me names, and post off-topic links.

the topic "does harvard have to obey the law on discrimination"? the answer is yes. Just because an institution made some discoveries in a science lab doesn't give them carte blanche to encourage anti-semitic attacks on students suspected of being jewish
Kwek00 · 41-45, M
@SusanInFlorida Why not jus admit that you never looked into what Harvard researchers have developed. Instead of feeling all offended when someone points it out.
@SusanInFlorida says
i'm not sure what harvard is doing with their "research money". If it's curing cancer, better EV batteries, or combatting climate change i'm not seeing any results.

Obviously you haven't looked. Below are a few examples; there are, of course, many many more.

As I said to you elsewhere, the money doesn't go to Harvard. The money goes to Harvard affiliated researchers who have won grants, mostly from the National Institutes of Health, but also CDC, NSF, and other government agencies.

You can read about the NIH's rigorous grant application review process here: https://grants.nih.gov/grants-process/review/first-level

BTW, investigating the research grant process for you seems to have put Harvard on my feed, and it yielded these:

Harvard researchers awarded Breakthrough Prizes

This guy worked for 25 years to make his MS breakthrough
Alberto Ascherio, a professor of epidemiology and nutrition at the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health and a professor of medicine at Harvard Medical School, was recognized for work establishing Epstein-Barr virus infection as leading cause of multiple sclerosis.

... he discovery revolutionized the field of MS research, and a vaccine and antibody drugs that target Epstein-Barr are now in development. “It’s virtually a consensus now that Epstein-Barr is the leading cause of MS,” Ascherio said. “I’m happy to say that finally, after 25 years, it’s been a big splash.”

Joel Habener, a professor at Harvard Medical School, was part of a group of scientists honored for contributions to the discovery and characterization of the hormone glucagon-like peptide-1, or GLP-1 — findings that subsequently led to the development of treatments based on GLP-1.

... The body of research conducted by the five scientists, supported in part by federal funding, has dramatically advanced understanding of how GLP-1 functions in the body. Notably, their work contributed to the development of GLP-1 drugs, which have revolutionized treatment for Type 2 diabetes and obesity.

David Liu — the Richard Merkin Professor at the Broad Institute, director of the institute’s Merkin Institute for Transformative Technologies in Healthcare, and the Thomas Dudley Cabot Professor of the Natural Sciences at Harvard — was honored for the development of the gene editing platforms base editing and prime editing, which can correct the vast majority of known disease-causing genetic variations and have already been used in at least 15 clinical trials, with life-saving results. Base editing was recently used to achieve the first-ever correction of a disease-causing mutation in patients.

Base editing, which Liu’s team developed in 2016, is a gene editing technique that directly converts an individual DNA base pair into a different base pair. Prime editing, which Liu’s group pioneered three years later, can make insertions, deletions, and substitutions up to hundreds of base pairs long in the genome.

Since their initial development, both base editing and prime editing have been used by thousands of laboratories around the world and have enabled the study and potential treatment of many genetic diseases.

“The real heroes behind our work are the incredibly talented graduate students, postdocs, and collaborators who worked tirelessly to develop these technologies in ways that would allow them to benefit society,” said Liu. “Without their dedication, this work would not be possible. The honor of my professional life is to be able to work with and support such a vibrant group of scientists.”
Harvard uses the money to extend its abilities to study things like diseases and to develop cures. It once had a peace studies program. But zzzzzzzz,! Chainsaws everyone! Buzz cut their minds. Efficiency
Peter85 · 36-40, M

 
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