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[Politics] Should states create their own foreign policies regarding trade with other countries?

https://www.newsweek.com/california-newsom-trade-trump-tariffs-2055414
California Governor Gavin Newsom said he has directed his administration to "look at new opportunities to expand trade" as he tries to steer his state around President Donald Trump's sprawling import tariffs.

Why It Matters

California, the world's fifth-largest economy, plays a crucial role in driving U.S. economic growth. As the largest importer and second-largest exporter among U.S. states, with over $675 billion in two-way trade, it holds significant economic influence. Therefore, Trump's tariffs could have a major impact, potentially increasing costs for California businesses, disrupting global supply chains, and putting pressure on vital industries within the state.

What To Know

In a post on X, Newsom addressed the U.S.'s global trading partners, writing "California is here and ready to talk."

It comes after a Fox News report revealed that Newsom is directing his state to pursue "strategic" relationships with countries announcing retaliatory tariffs against the U.S., urging them to exclude California-made products from those taxes.

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In response, White House spokesperson Kush Desai told Fox News: "Gavin Newsom should focus on out-of-control homelessness, crime, regulations, and unaffordability in California instead of trying his hand at international dealmaking."

On Wednesday, the White House imposed a 10 percent baseline tariff on all imports, including those from U.S. allies and non-economically active regions, along with higher rates for countries with large trade surpluses against the U.S. on Wednesday.

The tariffs include a 34 percent tax on imports from China, a 20 percent tax on imports from the European Union, 25 percent on South Korea, 24 percent on Japan and 32 percent on Taiwan. Mexico and Canada, from which most U.S. produce imports come, are exempt from Trump's latest tariffs, but the 25 percent tariffs that Trump levied on both countries last month will remain intact.

Trump's announcement sent the markets into turmoil on Thursday, with Wall Street recording its worst day since 2020, when Covid-19 was in full swing. Meanwhile, China hit back with a 34 percent retaliatory tariff on Friday, in the first signs of an all-out trade war that could cripple imports and exports. Other nations are now also mulling over retaliatory tariffs.

Amid the turmoil, the Newsom administration is concerned that retaliatory tariffs could hit California hard, with major impacts on agriculture, manufacturing, and trade

California, not being its own country, can't be directly targeted in international trade retaliation. However, countries could choose to retaliate against Trump's tariffs by targeting goods commonly produced in states other than California—like soybeans or pork—instead of products like California wine or walnuts, Daniel Sumner, an agricultural and resource economics professor at UC Davis, told Newsweek.

According to Fox News, Newsom administration officials are particularly concerned that California's almond industry, a key agricultural exporter, could lose billions of dollars, as countries like China, India, and the European Union impose retaliatory tariffs.

Almond exports were valued at $4.7 billion in 2022, supporting 110,000 jobs and contributing $9.2 billion to California's GDP. With 76 percent of the world's almonds grown in California—and most exported—trade restrictions could cost the industry up to $875 million, according to a UC Davis study.

Other food prices may also rise as a result of the tariffs. Ninety percent of avocados consumed in the U.S. come from Mexico, so restrictions could drive up prices and reduce consumption. Similarly, California milk prices could increase if tariffs make canola from Canada more expensive, forcing farmers to switch to pricier alternatives.

The wine and alcohol industries face rising costs as well. Tariffs on European wines may lead California winemakers to hike prices, while reliance on imported materials like corks, glass, and capsules from Mexico and Canada could further push prices upward.

Beyond agriculture, the state's manufacturing sector—especially in Los Angeles—is at risk. The region employed over 313,000 manufacturing workers last year and plays a central role in California's $1 trillion county economy. Economist Jock O'Connell warned that reduced imports and exports could lead to fewer jobs at ports and throughout supply chains, especially in the Inland Empire.

In 2023, California exported nearly $160 billion in manufactured goods, led by $47.9 billion in computer and electronic products, along with $18.4 billion in machinery and $16.2 billion in chemicals. These sectors could also face retaliatory tariffs from trade partners, further threatening the state's economy.

State officials also expressed concern that retaliatory tariffs will cause significant disruptions to supply chains between California and Baja, arguing that taxing goods each time they cross the border will raise final product prices, ultimately impacting Californians.

Meanwhile, a Newsom official also told Fox News that the new Trump tariffs will hinder access to essential supplies, like construction materials, needed to rebuild after the Los Angeles wildfires. The U.S. currently imposes a 14 percent duty on Canadian lumber, with the rate possibly rising to nearly 27 percent this year.

But Sumner is doubtful that Newsom's directive will go anywhere toward helping the state.

"The standard theory about retaliation lists is to hurt the offending government politically. That would already suggest going after products from places that supported President Trump. Back when the Democrats had power it was natural to hit California wine because Speaker Pelosi and other Californians had power. That is much less true now," he told Newsweek. "Overall, it is hard to see much coming from this."

Analysis by the Yale Budget Lab found that the Trump Administration's announced tariffs are expected to drive up overall inflation by 2.3 percent this year alone. This includes a projected 2.8 percent increase in food prices and an 8.4 percent jump in automotive prices—resulting in an estimated $3,800 hit to the average American household.

What People Are Saying

Gavin Newsom said in video posted to X: "Donald Trump's tariffs do not represent all Americans, and on behalf of 40 million Americans that live in the great state of California , the tentpole of the US economy, 14% of US GDP, the fifth largest economy in the world, the dominant manufacturing state in America. Our state of mind is around supporting stable trading relationships around the globe. And that's why today I've directed my administration to look at new opportunities to expand trade and to remind our trading partners around the globe that California remains a stable partner."

In a press release, he added:

"California leads the nation as the #1 state for agriculture and manufacturing — and it's our workers, families, and farmers who stand to lose the most from this Trump tax hike and trade war. To our international partners: As the fifth largest economy in the world, the Golden State will remain a steady, reliable partner for generations to come, no matter the turbulence coming out of Washington. California is not Washington, D.C."

Daniel Sumner, an agricultural and resource economics professor at UC Davis, told Newsweek: "California is not a separate country so there would not be California as a country of origin. However, an importer could retaliate against specific goods that tend to come from states other than California. For example, Japan could avoid listing wine, walnuts, or tomato paste, but instead make a point of going after soybeans and pork instead. For manufactured goods, it is harder to tell if it is a California product or has substantial content.

"The standard theory about retaliation lists is to hurt the offending government politically. That would already suggest going after products from places that supported President Trump. Back when the Democrats had power it was natural to hit California wine because Speaker Pelosi and other Californians had power. That is much less true now.

"The other response to Governor Newsome may well be from federal agencies that decide to close California offices or cancel programs that benefit California. That may have a bigger economic impact than the import policy responses.

"Overall, it is hard to see much coming from this."

Donald Trump said on Thursday:

"The markets are going to boom. The stock is going to boom, the country is going to boom, and the rest of the world wants to see is there any way they can make a deal.

"This is one of the most important days, in my opinion, in American history. It's our declaration of economic independence. For years, hardworking American citizens were forced to sit on the sidelines as other nations got rich and powerful, much of it at our expense," Trump said. "But now it's our turn to prosper, and in so doing, use trillions and trillions of dollars to reduce our taxes and pay down our national debt, and it'll all happen very quickly."
What Happens Next

Trump's tariffs are set to go into effect between April 5 and April 9. The administration expects the new rates to remain in place until the U.S. narrows a $1.2 trillion trade imbalance recorded last year.


Please keep in mind this might be considered a States rights issue! What helps one side can help the other side in many ways.







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DeWayfarer · 61-69, M Pinned Comment
Note: I do moderate my own posts to any that troll them.

Nor do I encourage trolling of trolls!

Captain · 61-69, M
I like you're idea biut its just not practical is it and (Im not a yank so I wouldn't know but as alimiey I would guess) "illegal". If the US split into 50 odd trading blocks that would be no better for the US or the world than whats happening now. The only thing that solves this problem is if Trump and Vance repent. Maybe they'll get some big concessions and be able to turn around and say "ha ha only jesting , got what we want, its back to normal now guys) but it won't be will it. the confidence of the world has been shattered.
Captain · 61-69, M
@DeWayfarer You shoud stay in and watch videos more (LOL)
Lugnut49 · 61-69, M
@Captain we have too many far leftists who need to repent.
But you live elsewhere and are likely very satisfied with those who believe US companies deserve to be charged larger tariffs than the US charges you.
Not too many choose to Californicate the rest of those who choose United
Captain · 61-69, M
@Lugnut49 We dont charge any tariffs the good friday agreement doesnt force us to - we are a free buffet economy.
Heartlander · 80-89, M
Most states and cities have some sort of strategic planning department or economic development department that shops for businesses, both domestic and foreign, to locate in their states. Ideally, they have land use policies, zoning laws, and they even maintain inventories of what's available in their communities ready to show interested shoppers, and are ready to lay out tax incentives. to attract the best blend for their communities. While they may not be able to directly and immediately change such things as federal tariffs or import/export laws they do have the flexibility to offset the cost with real estate tax abatements, financing assistance, direct grants, and other incentives that may in some cases be more significant than the tariff. Some states have a Renaissance Zone Authority for revitalizing decaying areas and cities and states will roll out the checkbooks to rejeuvinate a shuttered factory site or other decaying or economically dead spot.

Also, city, county and state governments employ lobbyist to represent their interest with the state and federal government, that includes representing their economic interest recommend changes to import and tariff laws.
DeWayfarer · 61-69, M
@Heartlander oh EVs wouldn't likely be the market for that lithium. The real reason why Musk left was because of the environmental protection laws.

That lithium would likely be used for the tiny batteries. Like in cellphones and such. Less likely to explode and with a bigger profit margin overall.

Musk didn't want to deal with how to store the big Auto type batteries. They need to be specially stored by California EPA so if they explode they won't set off a chain reaction.

Now we all know that Musk source of batteries explode! It doesn't take much at all to set them off if you have been following the Tesla news at all.
Heartlander · 80-89, M
@DeWayfarer understand. My awareness of goo old lead batteries exploding is enough to make me fear being close to any battery. I saw one explode in a parking lot and it darn near blew the hood off the car.

My SIL (son in law) had an EV smart car for commuting, which I thought was a smart idea and I'd intended to do likewise since I'm old and rarely stray more than 15 miles from home, but his experience was negative and exchanged it for a tiny high mph gas guzzler.

It's been years since I crossed any California border, my memory is of agricultural check points. Do they stop everyone?
DeWayfarer · 61-69, M
@Heartlander I don't know. It's been over a decade since I was near one. I live at least 60 miles in any direction of one. And I travel about as much as you do.
GerOttman · 70-79, M
I believe that international trade is among the "few and defined" powers granted the federal government in the constitution. I don't have the chapter and verse handy, feel free to review on your own.
GerOttman · 70-79, M
@DeWayfarer I guess that's as good a definition of "Supreme" as you're going to get!
DeWayfarer · 61-69, M
@GerOttman listen they don't always rule in favor of Trump either! 🤷🏻‍♂

They make their own precedence.
GerOttman · 70-79, M
@DeWayfarer I'm aware, thanks.
eMortal · M
People from all over the country prefer to travel all the way California to be homeless!
The main reason is weather.
Some come here from red states just to take advantage of social programs. Maybe California should start sending them back.
DeWayfarer · 61-69, M
@eMortal suggest you read and understand: The new Colossus

Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,
With conquering limbs astride from land to land;

Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand

A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame

Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name

Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand

Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command

The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.

Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!” cries she
With silent lips. “

Give me your tired, your poor,

Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,

The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.

Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,


I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”

It's at the bottom of the statue of Liberty!
in10RjFox · M
Yes. In fact every state can become it's own micro nation and have a currency with USD as central currency, so trade with each other State too is defined well.
DeWayfarer · 61-69, M
@in10RjFox I read it for the third time and found it irrelevant!

Apply your statement to the 10th amendment!

Correction the tenth amendment!
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meJess · F
the last time the states of the union were looking to go their own way on taxation and other considerations the disagreement became rather aggressive
DeWayfarer · 61-69, M
@meJess it did, didn't it.

Yet that whole process took decades.

This is only the beginning.
Heartlander · 80-89, M
@meJess :) States with booming economies want to go their own way; states deep in debt and a sluggish economy would prefer to share the misery.
DeWayfarer · 61-69, M
@Heartlander I sort of mention that, by stating that California is the world 5th largest economy below.
I mean if you are going to go in that direction doesn't that basically render the country of the USA irrelevant if everyone is just going to behave like 50 separate states? At that point you just have the Yankee version of the EU.
DeWayfarer · 61-69, M
@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow it's what the Republicans are pushing for with states rights. They brought this on themselves with the abortion issue.
The party of democracy wants to succeed the second they’re voted out..

This is funny to me..

Yay democracy
DeWayfarer · 61-69, M
@TheOneyouwerewarnedabout this is only taking advantage of Republic governments!

The Republicans don't want democracy! So the alternative is to take advantage of the Republic!

They already tore democracy apart by adhering to the 10th amendment!

Remove the tenth amendment we have a democracy once again!
Canicu69 · 70-79, M
Absolutely not. Can you imagine having !50 different agreements with Mexico or Canada. Or better yet China.
Makes no sense and opens the door to corruption
Canicu69 · 70-79, M
@DeWayfarer you think what you want. It is against the law. California just announced they wouldn’t charge tariff's. It is against the law. Final final. Good night
DeWayfarer · 61-69, M
@Canicu69 oh it's going to change believe it.

Because Trump will ruin the 5th largest economy of the world otherwise!
DeWayfarer · 61-69, M
@Canicu69 this was Friday!

https://www.politico.com/news/2025/04/04/newsom-to-fight-back-on-trump-tariffs-asking-countries-to-spare-california-retaliation-00272133

By Christine Mui

04/04/2025 11:27 AM EDT

Updated: 04/04/2025 11:48 AM EDT

California Gov. Gavin Newsom said he will “fight back” against President Donald Trump’s latest tariffs on Friday, instructing the state to forge “strategic” alliances with countries eyeing retaliatory measures on U.S. goods — and to press hard for California-made products to be spared.

They don't work on weekends!
Lugnut49 · 61-69, M
United States not independent entities needing United resources.
DeWayfarer · 61-69, M
@Lugnut49 Tell it to the Supreme Court who thinks States rights are immutable.

You can't have it both ways.

BTW with this last ruling on immigration SCOTUS is playing it the States rights way. Federal judges can only make rulings on the states they represent.

They have thrown "No federal taxation without representation" out the door.
Lugnut49 · 61-69, M
@DeWayfarer Immigration Law is not a State's right. SCOTUS is right, States have rights and the Feds have rights.
DeWayfarer · 61-69, M
@Lugnut49 tell it to SCOTUS.

They don't want a lower court ruling to affect the whole nation. So the lower court ruling can only affect their jurisdiction.

That puts immigration on the states only, despite immigration judges being appointed by the president.

Immigration judges are not normal constitutional judges. They can't be impeached by Congress. And are appointed the president only.

Trump doesn't care about uniformity in immigration laws.

AI generated...

Immigration judges are indeed appointed by the president and do not have the same protections as federal judges, such as impeachment by Congress. The Trump administration's actions have been criticized for undermining the integrity and uniformity of immigration laws, particularly through the firing of judges and changes in court policies. PBS WBUR
Immigration Judges and Their Appointment
Appointment Process

Immigration judges are appointed by the President of the United States.
They operate under the Executive Office for Immigration Review (EOIR), which is part of the Department of Justice.

Impeachment and Accountability

Unlike federal judges, immigration judges do not have the same protections and can be removed without the same process.
They are not subject to impeachment by Congress, which is typically reserved for federal judges.

Impact of Presidential Actions
Recent Developments

The Trump administration has recently fired 17 immigration judges across 10 states, raising concerns about the impact on immigration law enforcement.
The firings were described as occurring "without cause," which has led to criticism from the union representing these judges.

Enforcement of Immigration Laws

The administration's approach has been characterized by aggressive enforcement, including mass deportations.
This has created a climate of fear among immigrants, particularly those seeking asylum, as they face potential arrest even during court proceedings.

Conclusion

The structure and accountability of immigration judges differ significantly from those of constitutional judges. Their appointment by the President and the lack of impeachment protections contribute to a unique and often contentious environment in immigration law enforcement.


Now explain why SCOTUS doesn't want immigration judges making judgments for the whole country and why this puts immigration on the states.
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⚖ SCOTUS and Immigration Judges

The Supreme Court of the United States (SCOTUS) has expressed concerns about immigration judges making decisions that could have nationwide implications. This stems from several key reasons:
🏛 Separation of Powers

Judicial Authority: Immigration judges operate under the Executive Branch, which raises questions about their authority to make decisions that affect the entire country. SCOTUS is cautious about allowing a single branch of government to wield such power without checks and balances.

Uniformity of Law: SCOTUS aims to maintain a uniform interpretation of laws across the nation. If immigration judges were to make divergent rulings, it could lead to inconsistencies in how immigration laws are applied, undermining the rule of law.

🌍 Federalism and State Authority

State Involvement: When SCOTUS limits the power of immigration judges, it inadvertently shifts some responsibilities to the states.

States may then create their own immigration policies or enforcement mechanisms, leading to a patchwork of laws that vary significantly from one state to another.


Local Impact: Immigration issues often have local implications, affecting communities differently. By allowing states to have a say in immigration matters, SCOTUS acknowledges the unique circumstances and needs of individual states.

📜 Legal Precedents

Judicial Precedent: SCOTUS has historically ruled that immigration is primarily a federal issue. However, when immigration judges make decisions that are not aligned with federal law or policy, it can create legal challenges that may require state courts to intervene.

Case Law: Various cases have highlighted the tension between federal immigration policy and state laws, leading to a complex legal landscape where states may feel compelled to act independently.

Conclusion

The reluctance of SCOTUS to empower immigration judges with nationwide authority reflects a commitment to maintaining the balance of power among branches of government and recognizing the role of states in addressing immigration issues.

This dynamic can lead to significant variations in how immigration laws are enforced and interpreted across the country.

This ruling makes us like separate nations anyway. So why not our own foreign policies? 🤷🏻‍♂

Oh the dictator can't force states then, without congressional approval, is why.

Control their money, you control the states.

 
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