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Do fear the reaper.

The Palestinians are returning to their homes after the ceasefire\; picking bodies from the rubble in the relative peace of the eye of a hurricane. However, there is no politically viable solution in sight; None which recognises their humanity.

Before the invasion of Gaza: I predicted that the real Israeli objective was not about defeating Hamas or freeing hostages but about ethnically cleansing all Palestinians from Gaza. Trump (and many Israeli politicians) are now saying out loud that this is the explicit aim. I take no pleasure in being right about this. 47,000 Palestinians (at a conservative estimate) are dead. Many, many more are seriously injured and mutilated, illness is rife and all of the hospitals have been destroyed. Is anyone still pretending that this is not a genocide?

Yet no end is in sight. The Trump administration and the Netanyahu one are in complete lockstep in their desire to force all Palestinians from the Gaza Strip. Because they place zero value on Palestinian life and are zealots for the Zionist cause: this plan will involve more munitions and more horror. It will also involve threatening Israel's neighbouring countries to comply.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c07kpjyzgllo

Trump has already threatened allied nations so it needs no crystal ball to predict that he will threaten Egypt and Jordan with sanctions and withdrawal of aid. Anthony Blinken used normal diplomatic pressure to try and get the Egyptian government to take in the Palestinians but they refused because their population was already appalled by what Israel has done and may try to overthrow their leaders if they were complicit in the second Nakba. Giving a helping hand to the ethnic cleansing of Muslims could incite a second Arab Spring.

Trump doesn't care. Jordan and Eygpt need the aid they get from America and Trump hates foreign aid anyway. He will say it is 'their problem.' That this will further destabilize the region and create misery for millions does not concern them.

If this plan comes to pass: Shock and awe violence from the IDF and America's 'diplomatic' arm twisting is going to lead to massive refugee camps full of starving and traumatised people with little or no hope of returning to their homeland. However, many more will have to die first. Israel will expand its territory as per its religious right and the successive US governments - along with most of the 'civilised' West - will have 'protected' an ally.
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Harmonium1923 · 51-55, M
I don’t understand why so many Palestinians in the US favored Trump over Harris when they had clear advocates in the Democratic Party and none in the Republican party. It has been less than a week and Trump has made his position clear (though in my view it was clear already).
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@Harmonium1923 Yeah. I think maybe it was desperation. However, what Biden did was also terrible IMO.
Northwest · M
@Harmonium1923 They have yet to absorb what happened, but the Arab vote gave Trump the upper edge in Michigan.
Northwest · M
None which recognises their humanity.

One of the key issues.

Over the past year, quite a few people from my "tribe" have abandoned they humanity, and what made us a shining light, and bought into the terrorist Arab stereotype who wants to drive Jews into the sea.

This is especially significant on the 80th anniversary of the liberation of Auschwitz. Did it take only 80 years to forget our humanity?
ffony · M
@Northwest What if there was never any significant 'humanity' to forget.
graphite · 61-69, M
Donald Trump to the rescue again!

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/level-it-trump-says-us-take-over-gaza-strip-rebuild

Excerpt: The U.S. will "take over the Gaza Strip," level it and rebuild the area, President Donald Trump said during a press conference Tuesday evening after meeting with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu at the White House.

"The U.S. will take over the Gaza Strip, and we will do a job with it, too," Trump said Tuesday evening in a joint press conference with Netanyahu. "We'll own it and be responsible for dismantling all of the dangerous, unexplored bombs and other weapons on the site."
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@graphite It wouldn't be funny in a different alternative world where the US harboured SOME terrorists and you came back home to find your wife and kids dead due to wreckless bombing from the nation the US terrorists threatened.
trollslayer · 46-50, M
As usual, you have a whole lot of people who fail to think in depth about this issue and instead some very polarized viewpoints:

You have the “all muslims are terrorists” people.

You have the “any criticism of Israel means you want all Jews to die” people.

I know Jews who voted Trump specifically for the viewpoint he is now stating. They claim they don’t view all muslims as terrorists, but feel taking Gaza is justified means of protecting themselves.

And I know some Democrats who voted Trump (or 3rd party) because Biden continued to aid Israel.

Basically, you had the “Israel is evil” and the “Gaza is evil” people on the same side, both against freedom and peace.

A real head scratcher.
People looking at this like a chess game and not as a massacre of lost lives is the first hurdle to cross. I'm not even sure what to say at this point. It's all so disheartening
Coming back to a destroyed home and if you do happen to live in a house that made it through the bombing, coming home without some family members.....
graphite · 61-69, M
From: Facts and Logic About the Middle East:

"Amazing fact: Palestinians receive more Western financial aid per capita than any people on earth, yet they are bankrupt and have no sustainable economy.
However, the media cover them like victims and heroes even in the face of their most barbaric acts of anti-Jewish terror."
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@graphite I don't know people who sympathise with Hamas, you'd have to be an Islamic extremist to do that.
ffony · M
@graphite "If you read your Bible" ...... 🤣 🙄
ffony · M
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The ultimate oxymoron
graphite · 61-69, M
Hamas: Garbage

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/02/08/world/middleeast/israel-hamas-hostages-prisoners.html

Headline: Hamas Makes Gaunt Israeli Hostages Thank Captors Before Release
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@graphite https://similarworlds.com/politics/5213992-How-do-you-participate-in-a-political-debate-on-SW

Just saying. 😝😇
graphite · 61-69, M
@Burnley123 " But they were bad deals..." 🤣 Please. Spare me. The Palestinians want the whole place. It's the Historic Land of the Jewish People and shall stay that way. Deal with it.

https://bje.org.au/knowledge-centre/israel/history/historical-presence/

Excerpt:

Jews have lived in the land of Israel for nearly 4000 years, going back to the period of the Biblical patriarchs (c.1900 BCE). The story of the Jewish people, Israel, its capital, Jerusalem, and the Jewish Temple there, has been one of exile, destruction and rebirth. In its 3000 years of history Jerusalem has been destroyed 17 times and 18 times reborn. There has always remained a Jewish presence in the land of Israel and in Jerusalem, and the Jewish people as a whole always dreamt of returning to and rebuilding it.

...Let me know if there is anything else I can explain to you. Happy to help.
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@graphite
Jews have lived in the land of Israel for nearly 4000 years, going back to the period of the Biblical patriarchs (c.1900 BCE).

In Biblical times: Yes! Though FWIW, they were ethnically Arabic Jews. Not white Europeans.

The early Zionist settlers (of the early twentieth-century Mandate Palestine) were taught by the local Muslim majority how to farm the land.

All your argument is left with is a religious fundamentalist justification for genocide. Though I doubt you are much religious, let alone Jewish.
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Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@NativePortlander1970 I did condemn the Hamas attack that killed 1,500 Israelis then and I do now.

Do you condemn the killing of 50,000 (and rising) Palestinians and the ethnic cleansing of two million people? Is this your idea of justice?
@Burnley123 What "ethnic cleansing", hmmm? 50,000 dead terrorists, they should not have picked up weapons against the Israelis...
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