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Do fear the reaper.

The Palestinians are returning to their homes after the ceasefire\; picking bodies from the rubble in the relative peace of the eye of a hurricane. However, there is no politically viable solution in sight; None which recognises their humanity.

Before the invasion of Gaza: I predicted that the real Israeli objective was not about defeating Hamas or freeing hostages but about ethnically cleansing all Palestinians from Gaza. Trump (and many Israeli politicians) are now saying out loud that this is the explicit aim. I take no pleasure in being right about this. 47,000 Palestinians (at a conservative estimate) are dead. Many, many more are seriously injured and mutilated, illness is rife and all of the hospitals have been destroyed. Is anyone still pretending that this is not a genocide?

Yet no end is in sight. The Trump administration and the Netanyahu one are in complete lockstep in their desire to force all Palestinians from the Gaza Strip. Because they place zero value on Palestinian life and are zealots for the Zionist cause: this plan will involve more munitions and more horror. It will also involve threatening Israel's neighbouring countries to comply.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c07kpjyzgllo

Trump has already threatened allied nations so it needs no crystal ball to predict that he will threaten Egypt and Jordan with sanctions and withdrawal of aid. Anthony Blinken used normal diplomatic pressure to try and get the Egyptian government to take in the Palestinians but they refused because their population was already appalled by what Israel has done and may try to overthrow their leaders if they were complicit in the second Nakba. Giving a helping hand to the ethnic cleansing of Muslims could incite a second Arab Spring.

Trump doesn't care. Jordan and Eygpt need the aid they get from America and Trump hates foreign aid anyway. He will say it is 'their problem.' That this will further destabilize the region and create misery for millions does not concern them.

If this plan comes to pass: Shock and awe violence from the IDF and America's 'diplomatic' arm twisting is going to lead to massive refugee camps full of starving and traumatised people with little or no hope of returning to their homeland. However, many more will have to die first. Israel will expand its territory as per its religious right and the successive US governments - along with most of the 'civilised' West - will have 'protected' an ally.
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graphite · 61-69, M
Hamas: Garbage

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/02/08/world/middleeast/israel-hamas-hostages-prisoners.html

Headline: Hamas Makes Gaunt Israeli Hostages Thank Captors Before Release
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graphite · 61-69, M
@BritishFailedAesthetic Why not make a Palestinian state in the UK? How about Scotland and Wales? Maybe throw in Northern Ireland, too.

https://africachinapresscentre.org/2023/10/13/5-times-in-the-past-palestine-rejected-offer-to-have-its-state-they-want-israel-out-of-existence/

Excerpts:

If Israel just allowed the Palestinians to have a state of their own, there would be peace in the Middle East, right?
That’s what you hear from ambassadors, European diplomats, and most college professors.

But what if I told you that Israel has already offered the Palestinians a state of their own,
and not just once, but on five separate occasions
?

Rejection number four.
In 2000, Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak met at Camp David, with Palestinian Liberation Organization Chairman Nasser Arafat, to conclude a new two-state plan. Barak offered Arafat a Palestinian state in all of Gaza, and 94% of the West Bank, with East Jerusalem as its capital. But the Palestinian leader rejected the offer.
In the words of U.S. President Bill Clinton, “Arafat was here 14 days and said no to everything.”
Instead, the Palestinians launched a bloody wave of suicide bombings that killed over 1,000 Israelis and maimed thousands more
, on buses, in wedding halls, and in pizza parlors.
@graphite It would've been a bad deal.

And also why do you think I support terrorist attacks on Israelis?
graphite · 61-69, M
@BritishFailedAesthetic When you're proven dead-on wrong, just admit it. The Palestinian terrorists want Israel completely wiped off the map, so they can turn a democratic and technologically advanced oasis into another savage hellhole like Iran or Syria.
@graphite As in what makes you think I do?

I've already told you I don't support Hamas.
@graphite Again, talking about terrorists.

I just want a fair two state solution.
graphite · 61-69, M
@BritishFailedAesthetic Um, read the above post: Israel has offered this 5 times. The Palestinian terrorists want the whole place. Is that clear now? Israel is the Historic Land of the Jewish People. it's theirs. Read your Bible.
@graphite They wouldn't have been fair offers.
graphite · 61-69, M
@graphite I bet your wife and kids go on Pro Palestine rallies. They even wear the scarves, you're just taking out your frustration on us 🤭

I bet they voted for Bernie Sanders too 🕵
graphite · 61-69, M
@BritishFailedAesthetic We're all too busy to go to some lunatic rally. Now contact your Prime Minister about turning Scotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland into The Nation of Palestine.
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graphite · 61-69, M
@BritishFailedAesthetic You've got more room than the Nation of Israel. It's not even close.
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@graphite Maybe read into the history of this. There have been deals offered to Palestinians and they have been rejected. That much is true. However, they have all been bad deals. From a Palestinian perspective, it is being asked to compromise on land that was originally stolen from them.

In addition, when the Palestinians have accepted Israel's terrible terms, even that has been trampled on by subsequent actions. The Oslo Accords was an Israel-friendly deal but even that has been broken by further expansion of West Bank settlements. Israel's pretence of wanting a two-state solution is just for show. And it always has been.

What Israel wants (judged by words and actions) is a Jewish-only state. It regards Palestinians as less than humans.
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@graphite https://similarworlds.com/politics/5213992-How-do-you-participate-in-a-political-debate-on-SW

Just saying. 😝😇
graphite · 61-69, M
@Burnley123 " But they were bad deals..." 🤣 Please. Spare me. The Palestinians want the whole place. It's the Historic Land of the Jewish People and shall stay that way. Deal with it.

https://bje.org.au/knowledge-centre/israel/history/historical-presence/

Excerpt:

Jews have lived in the land of Israel for nearly 4000 years, going back to the period of the Biblical patriarchs (c.1900 BCE). The story of the Jewish people, Israel, its capital, Jerusalem, and the Jewish Temple there, has been one of exile, destruction and rebirth. In its 3000 years of history Jerusalem has been destroyed 17 times and 18 times reborn. There has always remained a Jewish presence in the land of Israel and in Jerusalem, and the Jewish people as a whole always dreamt of returning to and rebuilding it.

...Let me know if there is anything else I can explain to you. Happy to help.
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@graphite
Jews have lived in the land of Israel for nearly 4000 years, going back to the period of the Biblical patriarchs (c.1900 BCE).

In Biblical times: Yes! Though FWIW, they were ethnically Arabic Jews. Not white Europeans.

The early Zionist settlers (of the early twentieth-century Mandate Palestine) were taught by the local Muslim majority how to farm the land.

All your argument is left with is a religious fundamentalist justification for genocide. Though I doubt you are much religious, let alone Jewish.