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Spain imposes “100% tax” on homes bought by foreigners. Will America be next?



Photo above - Pedro Sanchez solves Spain's housing problem with a stroke of his pen.

Sheesh . . . talk about being unfriendly to immigrants. Spain doesn’t want them. Can’t keep them out, but Spain CAN keep them from buying houses. What’s wrong with this idea? (see AP news link below).

This is the brainchild of Spanish Prime Minister Pedro Sanchez (different guy than the one in Napoleon Dynamite). His reasoning, and I quote: “To provide more housing and regulation”.

I’m not sure how PREVENTING people from buying houses causes more construction. This seems to fly in the face of economic theories championed by Keynes, Milton Friedman, Paul Samuelson. And even David Ricardo, though he wasn’t Spanish either.

If Pedro wanted to reduce foreign consumption of houses, he should simply ban migrant entry. But stopping real estate transactions means they will simply arrive anyway, and rent. Think for a moment about this, Pedro. Okay – are we ready to continue?

If any head of state is seriously interested in affordable housing, they would enact policies to make it easier to build homes. There is, in fact, a shortage of homes in Spain. But since 78% of Spanish citizens already own their homes, instead of renting, the “no foreigners allowed” rule seems even more bizarre. On the basis of home ownership, Spain is way ahead of even the USA (65%). Although that US percentage may be declining due to the 12,000+ (and counting) homes burned in Los Angeles over the past week. Los Angeles rental companies are already jacking up prices, of course. Probably sporting goods stores are doing the same on tents.

The problem is, Spain cannot (legally) keep migrants out. If someone takes a plane, train or automobile from any of the 27 EU member nations, they don’t need a passport to arrive. It’s like moving from California to Texas. Just pack the car and go. But Prime Minister Pedro cannot legally keep THOSE folks from buying homes, or cars, or getting jobs either. It’s all allowed by the EU constitution.

So the “foreigners keep out” rule is apparently targeting citizens of the USA, Canada, China, Russia, India, Pakistan . . . who have no legal right to do anything in Spain.

Tip to Pedro . . . if you REALLY sat down and thought about it, you’d do something more creative. Like “tax rebates” for building new homes. Both citizens and new arrivals. Rather than locking down the sale of existing homes.

I’m just sayin’ . . .

Why is Spain considering a 100% tax on homes bought by non-EU buyers? | AP News
BlueVeins · 22-25 Best Comment
Objectively correct opinion. Housing is dirt cheap in Tokyo even though it's like 1000x times denser than Spain. The issue isn't a lack of space, the issue is degenerate homeowner NIMBYs fighting tooth and nail to artificially inflate their property values.
SusanInFlorida · 31-35, F
@BlueVeins best reply of the thread. people want to preserve their ocean views and surrounding green space. that's why apartments, condos, and townhouses are disfavored.

watch what happens in california where 12,000 home just burned to the ground. this is going to be mind blowing.
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@BlueVeins LOL. Just no

Burnley123 · 41-45, M
Now, it's fair to say that I'm hardly one who can throw stones when it comes to calling out others talking about the politics of other countries. Call me an obnoxious British blowhard or whatever.

But... you should at least read up a bit before commenting,

Have you (or any of the people who have commented) even read the article that you posted?

Sanchez (yes, he is NOT the guy from Napoleon Dynamite and well done for that) has floated this policy not to reduce immigration but to cut down on foreign landlords buying up Spanish properties and then charging extortionate rents on Spanish citizens.

A lot of these non-EU landlords are residents who are British-born. A lot of affluent Brits move to Spain for the weather and are buying up properties. Sanchez would probably want to apply the same rule to - say - German property buyers too but they are part of the EU and it would be against the EU laws to charge an extra tax on them. Though Britain is no longer an EU member so the Spanish can impose this rule and fair enough.

Sanchez leads a centre-left party as part of a coalition government. The Trumpian party tin Spain is called Vox and they mostly have issues with African and South American immigrants. Due to geography and post-colonial ties respectively, they are much more numerous and (because they are non-white) Vox has an issue with them, To them, the Brits are arrogant alcoholics and ruthless capitalists but they do bring in money, PSOE and Podemos are worried about their hipster voters and their rent hikes.

So this floated move is not about immigration. However, 'closing the border' would hardly work given that Spain is on the Iberian Peninsula and most of its borders are on seas and oceans. Good luck building a wall around that. Economic laws would actually be the only effectively way of cutting down on immigration, even if this policy was about immigration. It isn't.
MethDozer · M
@Burnley123 Attacking landlords is so based
Per my understanding.

Spain is currently very attractive to British retirees, who want to have a second home there so that they have somewhere nice and warmer to go in the winter while staying with family in Britain in the summer and renting out the villa when they are not staying/vacationing there themselves.

Now, if I were a Spaniard, looking to move away from home... I'd be annoyed, too. My fellow countrymen shouldn't be emigrating abroad to buy a property that they're only going to live in for half a year, then charge stupid amounts for foreigners to rent per week the other half of the year - especially not when they're complaining about "immigrants moving in and taking all our houses" at home.

They'd be the first to complain if wealthy Spaniards moved to England and did the exact same thing that they are doing in Spain. Further to that, over tourism is becoming an issue in Spain, too so the Prime Minister is looking to discourage even more Brits from going there this Summer. Stemming the number of expats owning property out there is one way of doing that and making more available to Spanish citizens looking to upgrade and get cheaper properties moving into the possession of younger Spaniards looking to leave home for the first time.
SunshineGirl · 36-40, F
It's not a tax on immigrants, it's a tax on property bought by non-resident foreigners. So it's targetting properties bought for investment or leisure purposes. And if it discourages those uses, the stock of housing will increase and prices will fall.
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@SunshineGirl Like I said, but polite. 😇
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SusanInFlorida · 31-35, F
@jshm2 i have a link. do you?
CountScrofula · 41-45, M
Add corporations to the list and I'm in.
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@CountScrofula It's a tax on British landlords (so fair enough). This issue isn't even about immigration.
jehova · 31-35, M
Maybe do the same thing on ppls. Second home or those older than retirement age not housing working age family members? Im in america and it seriously a problem here too.
jehova · 31-35, M
@MethDozer no it shouldnt but retirement shouldnt exempt you from taxes either.
MethDozer · M
@jehova it doesn't
jehova · 31-35, M
@MethDozer apparently it did for Trump.
MethDozer · M
He's got a great idea.

Btw there is no shortage of homes in the US. There's actually more than enough. The problem is bank and investment ownership gobbling them up and keeping prices crippling high
MethDozer · M
@SusanInFlorida boom



Random Google polls are not any sort of proof of the matter. As for Zillow, of course realtor groups who stand to profit and are huge part of inflated home prices would have a say. They love high housing prices and selling people there 5th air bnb or empty home they hold for investment. That's like asking Phillip Morris if enough people are smoking
SusanInFlorida · 31-35, F
@MethDozer amazingly, you are correct. but almost all the inner city "vacant homes" are shells which don't have occupancy permits.

try again.
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SusanInFlorida · 31-35, F
@wildbill83 thats exactly the problem.. there should be affordable middle class housing without rent controls or government subsidies/welfare.

 
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