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Trump‘s victory and the role of class.

While I personally detest the term “class” on account of its Marxist connotations I‘m, nevertheless, going to use it as a technical term in this post.

If people with a lower income are supposed to be voting for the party or candidate that offers more public spending directed towards them, more welfare benefits, larger entitlements and all of it financed by the “others“, then how come, President-elect Trump won over such a large chunk of the American households with an income below the $50.000 USD threshold?
That‘s the question many unnerved advocates of social democratic policies ask themselves these days. Even more so since the Democrats won more votes among households with an income upwards of $100.000 USD.

The Economist Adam Tooze presents an interesting explanation. He posits that there are, in fact, three classes that have to be considered to understand this phenomenon. A less educated, more dependent lower-income, working-class. A powerful, prosperous upper-class and a financially secure, educated professional-managerial class.

The core of his argument revolves around this third class. Trumpism, he suggests, is nothing less than a revolt against the PMC and against the values and norms people of that class tend to espouse.
Which raises the question of who belongs to that group. The boss at work whose views you have to accommodate to keep your job or to get ahead, the HR workers who tell you what you can say or how to conduct yourself in the workplace, the lawyers who tell you what‘s legal and what isn’t, the professional journalists, teachers, academics, scientists and experts who try to claim the authority to explain the world to you (and your children) and who try to adjudicate the difference between truth and lies, government bureaucrats and career politicians who tax you, regulate your life and economic activity while living on another ideological planet than you do.

So when working-class individuals see someone like Trump or Musk flout all of the norms and values of the professional-managerial class, as Tooze constructed it, without any repercussions, then a larger proportion of them will envy and admire that audacity and power.
In that sense, lower income people would like to emulate Trump. Become more powerful, through more self-reliance and financial success, in part, to be undeterred by social conventions that might contradict their own.
The goal is less dependency and self-employment. Not a career in an existing institution as a goal in and of itself - which is one major difference between these voters and voters who belong to the professional-managerial class.
That‘s why government handouts or the promise of higher taxes for the rich don’t appeal to this group of people. They‘re more inclined to think that their lack of social mobility is caused by foreign countries, hence their proclivity to support protectionism and isolationism or by immigrants, hence their aversion to legal and illegal immigration. They don’t see wealthy individuals or capitalism itself as the root of the problem, unlike people who’re drawn to left-wing populism. Most of all, they blame the elites or the establishment which, from their point of view, is the PMC. It doesn’t matter that Trump used to be President, that he went to Wharton School or that he’s a billionaire and son of a millionaire. He‘s not part of the establishment club. He‘s not a career politician, he‘s not a lawyer or political scientist. He‘s an idol. Powerful, rich, and incredibly candid and unencumbered.

This is best expressed by the overwhelming electoral advantage Trump has with male, non-college individuals with an income above $100.000 USD.

Trump’s promise is not a higher minimum wage or more public health insurance. He promises something that seems vastly more important to large parts of America‘s working-class. The opportunity to succeed independently. His promises focus on jobs, economic growth, wage pressure and on eschewing entitlement reforms.

Democrats can’t change the values and cultural identities of large parts of the country. They can try to take culturally moderate positions if they want to be more competitive. But most of all, they should embrace the idea of empowerment through economic growth, lower taxes, and a reduced dependency on government support.
As Tooze puts it, when people in West Virginia vote against more federal Medicaid matching funds, they should be taken seriously.
Democrats, however, should pursue policies that can actually ensure these objectives over the long-term and reject counterproductive, albeit intuitive ideas such as protectionism, activist industrial policies or restrictive immigration policies.
So you don't like the term class yet your argument is based at least initially on a flawed class analysis.

None of this analysis is even remotely new and has been mapped out as far back as the 1840s. The PMC class are essentially the foot soldiers of the elites. Just like the gentry were the foot soldiers of the monarchy. They were nominally different but ultimately both have their class interests tied to the status quo. Back then it was feudalism, now it is capitalism.

In fact much like the gentry of old we have a term of bullshitification of the economy where entire structures are created just to justify the existence of the PMCs.


Also you need to brush up on your history. The social welfare system was never a left wing idea. It was created by the right. Otto von Bismark was hardly a socialist.


The entire idea was to alleviate the situation of the poor and working class just enough that they would not revolt and nothing more.

And oh a 1.5% "victory" with the popular vote blows up your entire ideological narrative that this is all based on some social conservative backlash. It is not. Social conservatives love to pretend they are a "silent majority". The problem is no facts or evidence backs that up.

The one thing you did get right is you can pull the wool over the eyes of a poorly educated population. Trump proved that.
@CedricH And you are making those assertions based on zero evidence and making a factually false statement. That has never changed.

You are not rooting for economic sanity. You are pushing for austerity which is a completely failed policy.

Pinochet and company could not even make it work at the end of a literal gun barrel.
CedricH · M
@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow Well, actual austerity is happening in Argentina now. I‘m very pleased by the results so far. I‘ll give you two projections. First, the Argentinian economy will be in a much stronger place in 2027 (the year of the next election) than it was when Javier Milei entered into office. And that he will be re-elected due to his success.
Let‘s debate this again when we can look at how accurate my predictions will turn out to be in two years from now. Till then, goodbye. If you want to have the last word this is your chance to have it, I‘m sure you‘ll enjoy it.
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Values matter and today's working class accepts brutality. It's not a revolutionary force. It's a feature of the empire.
Bumbles · 51-55, M
MAGA is a cult, not an ideology, and is impervious to logic. Policy could help on the margins with non-MAGA Trump supporters, and it was a close election in terms of the actual vote.
CedricH · M
@Bumbles Right, it was a close and that‘s why the right policies - which could’ve helped on the margins - might‘ve altered the outcome of this election or that of the next.
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@CedricH not everybody thinks the same or has the same motivations for their voting objectives.. so if someone tries to analyze a whole voting groups' rational.. that's just their opinion? Because generalizations are never 100% accurate so that's just their personal pov from where they sit imo 🙂 which may or may not be anywhere near reality of the matter.. people were sick of how the democrats mismanaged the country and so they voted against them Hard 😅
CedricH · M
@SStarfish I can‘t argue with that. 🙂
@CedricH thanks 😊
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