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How much would you pay for cheap Ozempic? Does $35 billion sound about right?



Photo above - Progressive filmmaker Michael Moore believes American healthcare should be 100% free. He has made several (for profit) movies advancing this theory. The Biden administration this week proposed subsidizing the weight loss drug Ozempic. Is this an example of synergy, or reciprocity?

Yesterday several internet sites reported that 208 million Americans are obese or overweight. That’s two thirds of America. The report didn’t do a deep dive on the percentage of politicians, videogame coders, food stamp recipients etc. who are afflicted. But these tropes come to mind only because we’ve all seen the problem.

The Biden administration has a solution. They are rushing through a $35 BILLION (with a B) subsidy for cheap or free Ozempic. But since the election has been over for a month, is this really necessary?

Wait – it gets weirder. Ozempic isn’t even made in America. It’s under patent by Novo Norodisk, a Danish company. That’s a country you don’t normally associate with fat people, so why did they pour money into inventing Ozempic in the first place? They must have had the US market in mind all along. Possibly Mexico too?

In any case Ozempic may soon be dirt cheap. But how expensive is it if you DON’T have insurance? Um . .. $968 for a single dose. Yikes – not a misprint. See second link below.

So who's the target population for free Ozempic? Fat Americans with no health insurance? Aren’t we already giving Obamacare coverage away at cut rate prices? Do we have to give Ozempic away too, because insurance won't pay for drugs which are prescribed “off label” - to treat things the drug was never tested/approved for? Is obesity a disease? Is it caused by poor choices when dialing Door Dash? Getting zero exercise? Too much time watching TV or playing videogames?

With all the challenges facing America, I simply can’t believe we suddenly need to throw $35 billion into weight loss subsidies to that uninsured fat people can try to slim down. That money isn’t even going to end up as profits for an American company. It’s going straight to Denmark. Who the hell thought THIS was a good idea?

I’m just sayin’ . . .

Cheap Ozempic? How millions of Americans with obesity may get access to costly weight-loss drugs

How Much Does Ozempic Cost Without Insurance?
wildbill83 · 41-45, M
anyone who touts "free healthcare" should automatically have their tax bracket bumped to the highest tier...
wildbill83 · 41-45, M
@SusanInFlorida I know... but there's always half a dozen commenters that show up to talk about their country's "free healthcare" that are completely oblivious

it would be interesting to see an audit/itemized breakdown of the costs of services and medications in NHS systems; as with anything else government subsidized, I think it's safe to assume that caregivers are charging considerably more than a standard market system.

Medicaid does it too; if you're uninsured, many private practices/clinics will bill you a fraction of what they bill to medicaid (if government/tax payers are picking up the tab, they'll squeeze every dime they can get out of it).

As such, making "free" healthcare more widely available and/or giving universal healthcare isn't going to solve any problems; it's only compounding the underlying problem; greedy healthcare providers and billionaire pharmaceutical execs. They're providing services and medications that cost them next to nothing, then charging a 10,000% markup just because they can get away with it...
wildbill83 · 41-45, M
There is very little regulation/oversight on healthcare "costs" in any country (any regulators that do exist are most likely in pocket of the companies they're supposed to regulate) ; and there's certainly no reasonable price cap on what providers can charge for services and medications, which is downright criminal when it comes to medications people need to even survive

It's basically run like a cartel; control the supply & distribution, eliminate the competition, bribe/extort government oversight, then sell whatever they want for however much they want.
SusanInFlorida · 31-35, F
@wildbill83 the biggest complaint with the britain's NHS system:

"my bed was in the hallway due to overcrowding"

"I can't get my hernia operation scheduled for 2 years because it's not life threatening"

"It smells like urine in here"
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SusanInFlorida · 31-35, F
@jshm2 englands NHS has proved that if you don't care about profits, and fair wages to healthcare workers, and patient satisfication scores, nobody will be happy.
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SusanInFlorida · 31-35, F
@jshm2 i remember seeing a film called "a man for all seasons" (1966). Sir Thomas More dissed Wales: " it profit a man nothing to give his soul for the whole world. . . but for Wales?"

evidently england, scotland, ireland and wales have had "challenges" for about 400 years.
continued use could be a dangerous, even life-threatening
It can cause sagging and aging of facial skin.
some individuals may experience hair loss as an unwanted consequence
Ozempic may cause serious side effects, including:
inflammation of your pancreas (pancreatitis).
changes in vision.
low blood sugar (hypoglycemia). ...
kidney problems (kidney failure).
serious allergic reactions.
gallbladder problems.

Why are we even talking about it? It's all business and make people addicted to more pills and let them stay dependent all their life.
SusanInFlorida · 31-35, F
@Royricky09 good reply. and they just discovered that if you try and STOP taking ozempic, you gain more weight than you originally had.
SunshineGirl · 36-40, F
Novo Norodisk is a multinational corporation that just happens to be headquartered in Denmark. It is of course an accomplished tax evader, so have no fear, Denmark derives little direct benefit from being host country 🙂🇩🇰

While some of the inflated consumer cost is undoubtedly due to shameless profiteering, America's complicated and inefficient medical procurement networks are also responsible. The UK can supply Ozempic at less than a tenth of the cost mainly due to the negotiating muscle of the NHS. Which is a really positive and effective state intervention.

$35bn to tackle chronic obesity, diabetes, heart disease and all their associated social and economic ills . . a bargain and a complete no-brainer in my book.
SusanInFlorida · 31-35, F
@SunshineGirl things don't "just happen". they are carefully planned for a purpose, involving . . .

tax strategies
lax regulation
labor costs
distribution channels
political climate.
I spend a lot of time being sedentary and (sometimes) eating unhealthy foods, but I barely gain any weight. if anything, it's very easy for me to lose weight if I cut off fast food. I am 5'9 or 1.75m and I weigh around 140lbs (give or take a few pounds) or 63.5kg. Most of my weight is in my bones and I pass as someone who looks like they're 120lbs or 54.4kg. At my heaviest, I weighed around 160lbs or 72.6kg, and that was only from months of eating fast food non-stop during college. When I semi-fasted for a week (not really by choice), I lost so much weight that I looked underweight like 100lbs or 45.4kg; I'm gonna assume I probably did weigh 120lbs.
Gibbon · 70-79, M
@uikakarotuevegeta That's me as well. And I'm type 2 diabetic but it isn't onset it was caused by chemo.
DealingWithTrouble · 41-45, M
https://www.cdc.gov/obesity/php/about/index.html

Obesity costs the US healthcare system almost $173 billion a year.

Obesity also affects the nation's military readiness. Only 2 in 5 young adults are weight-eligible and physically prepared for basic training.

https://obesitymedicine.org/blog/health-economic-impact-of-obesity/

A recent report released by the Milken Institute shows that the annual cost and the economic impact of obesity in the United States exceeds $1.4 trillion.

So, if $35 billion can reduce that $173 billion cost by even 20%, that's a net savings for government and health insurers directly... if it can reduce that $1.4 trillion cost by even 2.5%, that's a net economic improvement for the US economy as a whole... not to mention improving the health and lives of the people who are benefitting.

Also helping the US have people who are actually able to serve in the military should the need arise.

Is wanting to pay more money so that people suffer more some kind of principle?
@DealingWithTrouble you know we've been using fiat currency since the 70s right? Nothing but faith and interest backing up what is basically Monopoly bills
TexChik · F
Anything bad for us is exactly what Biden would want to subsidize. Ozempic has a laundry list of complications stemming from its use.
DonaldTrumpet · 70-79, M
We needZ to ReducE the FattieS
BuTz knowZ, OzemPicKz won’t makEZ fat WimenZ HoTtz
trollslayer · 46-50, M
For profit health care is basically making a ton if money betting the over-under on people’s health. Seems kinda messed up.
SusanInFlorida · 31-35, F
@trollslayer they're like any other insurance company. life insurance, auto insurance, home insurance.

you sign a contract and pay for your premium. if you have a loss not covererd by the contract, your claim is denied.

if you think your claim was denied unfairly. you don't start gunning down the insurance company's employess. you file a civil court claim to get it sorted out.

this country has lost it's mind
trollslayer · 46-50, M
@SusanInFlorida well, i agree. But with other insurance, your loss is your car, house, etc. if they don’t pay you can fight them. With health insurance, your loss is your life. A neighbor and co worker of mine are both dealing with this now. Neighbor was forced to settle for less than what she would probably get if it went before a jury because she probably only has a few more years and would rather get something than nothing. Insurance company knew her advanced age would force her to settle for less. Co worker got his benefits completely cut because his cancer made him ineligible for coverage. He had to hire a lawyer and fight it.
SusanInFlorida · 31-35, F
@trollslayer people look at things differently

if it were me, and i only had a few more years to live, i'd spend them fighting for justice. not settling out of court for pennies on the dollar so could chill with cable and doordash
sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M
The day after I see moore sitting in line next to me at the free clinic I will buy into his bullschiff
496sbc · 36-40, M
yet he is fat as a house. or building
HobNoblin · 36-40, M
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That free "healthcare" though.
MethDozer · M
Or how about Novo Norodisk and other drug companies to stop price gouging. They charge nearly 10x more for the same chemical here that they do anywhere else. Oh wait, that's right. We live in a country where not doing anything and everything for the sole benefit of the 🗣SHAREHOLDERS!!!@ is actually illegal.


If the government would just start representing the people, instead of representing the business. We wouldn't be talking about these prices. How about we as a nation stop being the cash cow for drug companies?
MethDozer · M
@SusanInFlorida it's got nothing to do with government subsidies. Our government subsidizes drug manufacturers anyways.

It has to do with the US government and law siding with big business and allowing insane over pricing. It costs the manufacturer pennies to produce diabetes drugs. Or any of drug for that matter. Yet they are allowed and encouraged to charge thousands.
SusanInFlorida · 31-35, F
@MethDozer i always have links. you never have links. why is that? too much meth?
MethDozer · M
@SusanInFlorida howqny links would you like?
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/ozempic-1-300-more-expensive-110407376.html
MethDozer · M
Also let's stop calling Ozempic a weightloss drug. It's a diabetes medication developed for diabetes with an off label use for weight loss after it was discovered diabetics lost weight while on it.
@MethDozer that reminds me of how people claim Viagara is an aphrodisiac drug when that's just a side effect of it
@MethDozer exactly..

For the first time I see people going crazy for side-effects the drug.

They will not do what is necessary but will take the drug as if it will keep them fit for life.

 
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