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Mexico Agrees To Shut Down Migrant Flow, Work On Stopping Drug Flow

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2024/11/27/trump-conversation-mexico-president-agreed-stop-migration/

I was honestly expecting the Mexican President to make some feminist grand stand and act like putting tit for tat sanctions on the US was a good idea- until she is thrown out of office, or some cartel took her out.

So she has agreed. The Mexican Army uses the draft, and is active against the cartels, but is puny.

I'm hoping that DOGE scraps the LCS "Little Crappy Ships" program feom the Navy. Congress mandates the Navy has these ships, and the Navy is afraid to use them outside of ports, but I think Mexico could make use of them in coastal waters as drug interdiction ships. I'm saying this because I suspect Mexico is going to point out it is not prepared to go full force against the cartels at the Mexican border in terms of military strength. I don't mind giving them deep storage equipment. Let their generals come out to mothballed stlrage sites and see what we have to offer. Some free, some given on a discounted, long term loan.

Smashing the cartels would lead to a major economic boom for Mexico. They have alot of engineers, but a weak banking system, and this means engineers can't get loans to start businesses. In order to give the loans, banks need money, and money comes from savings.... and alot of the economy is in the hands of cartels, who don't have easy access to banks, at least internationally reputible ones able to do international bank transfers.

One of the best things that can happen to Mexico is smashing the cartels. They are currently in a state of civil war against them, stopping the drug trade would be a massive ramping up of it. It means expanding the Mexican Draft as well- and that takes time, and facilities. US could shoulder some of the training- we have enough troops who can speak Mexican Spanish to train them in infantry tactics in Mexico or the US.
4meAndyou · F
Mexico is not serious about stopping the cartels, and has, in fact, threatened to tariff American goods in equal measure to the punitive tariffs that Trump plans to impose on Mexico.

The cartels are far wealthier and far more powerful than the Mexican government. Mexico can NOT defeat them...realistically speaking. WE are not going to be able to defeat them, either, because they are so deeply embedded, now, INSIDE the United States.

We can struggle against them. BUT we need to stop believing that Mexico is capable of fighting them.
@4meAndyou Mexico has a draft, and it is active. What they lack is sufficient trained manpower, equipment and logistics. We can help with that by expanding our Drill Sargeant Corps, using Spanish speaking soldiers, giving them the LCS (the ships the Navy hates and keeps trying to stop the manufacture of) and surveillance abilities (AWACS level stuff). I think in about a year they can start conducting large scale operations against the cartels. I'm not ignorant about the cartels, they do alot of kidnapping and I focus on OSINT for hostage location, I see alot of Americans go missing in cartel territory. The cartels can certainly fall. Nothing special about them, other than they managed to exploit a loophole in the American mindset that causes us to give up. We can train Mexico up to the point of smashing them.
4meAndyou · F
@Dignaga That might all be possible...but Mexican politicians have to have the WILL and the bravery to stand up to death threats, and real danger to their families.

AND we have Taiwan, Ukraine, and the situation in Israel to deal with...all at once.
bookerdana · M
MEXICO CITY (AP) — President Claudia Sheinbaum suggested Tuesday that Mexico could retaliate with tariffs of its own, after U.S. President-elect Donald Trump threatened to impose 25% import duties on Mexican goods if the country doesn’t stop the flow of drugs and migrants across the border.

Sheinbaum said she was willing to engage in talks on the issues, but said drugs were a U.S. problem.

“One tariff would be followed by another in response, and so on until we put at risk common businesses,” Sheinbaum said, referring to U.S. automakers that have plants on both sides of the border.

She said Tuesday that Mexico had done a lot to stem the flow of migrants, noting “caravans of migrants no longer reach the border.” However, Mexico’s efforts to fight drugs like the deadly synthetic opioid fentanyl — which is manufactured by Mexican cartels using chemicals imported from China — have weakened in the last year.

Sheinbaum said Mexico suffered from an influx of weapons smuggled in from the United States, and said the flow of drugs “is a problem of public health and consumption in your country’s society.”

https://apnews.com/article/mexico-tariffs-trump-retaliate-sheinbaum-fac0b0c6ee8c425a928418de7332b74a
DavidT8899 · 22-25, M
All the U S would have to do is declare the drug cartels domestic terrorists and use the military to blow one of the the no -doubt palatial personal mansions of the cartel heads into rubble.The drug trafficking would stop REAL QUICK.
DavidT8899 · 22-25, M
@Moneyonmymind It's not exactly THAT easy,but doing so ,along with other things,will go a long way toward changing the situation.And it's not that it couldn't have been done a long time ago;it's that our leaders either didn't have the will or privately supported illegal immigration.
@DavidT8899 Since nation states are organizing the cartels logistically, and kingpins take a secondary role, if we were to target the heads, very little would be done. Venezuela and Iran would just back some new kingpin and most of the cartels would just swing to whoever climbs to the top. It is a feudal system of sorts, and not as stable as medieval feudalism, as the vassalage is one of financial opprotunity and not loyalty to dynasty, class and land.

In order to uproot the cartels, you'll need a large ground pounder force bigger than the military Mexico currently has.

And the US has already legalized a variety of drugs. It hasn't done shit to stop the cartels in mesoamerica or crime in the US. You'll need a aggressive military component as part of the overall solution. I'm not saying just a military approach, but it is bound to be a major component of a successful suppression of the cartels.
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MethDozer · M
The cartels will never fully disappear as long as.yhe war on drugs continues. It's a problem we made.
Moneyonmymind · 31-35, M
@MethDozer a lot of people fail to understand this
Moneyonmymind · 31-35, M
I’ll believe it when I see it

 
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