Animal farm and 1984 are warnings against allowing autocratic leaders to make decisions for society.

@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow he discredited stalin as he actually had nothing to do with socialism

@Guitarman123 Not even close. He was a stooge for western intelligence agencies and made a living writing anti socialist propaganda and snitching on actual leftists...or just gay people in the UK.

Even those who served in Spain commented at the time that he seemed to have gotten lost on his way to Franco's army based on his actual politics.

@Guitarman123 And if you read his own writings about British colonialism the only reason he had a problem with it is it made him have to deal with non whites.

@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow he was no such thing. His work was greatly edited. He couldn't even release animal farm for a long time because of him speaking against stalin. Road to wigan pier is him first hand experiencing how northern working class lived and why he strongly supported democratic socialism. He was also against franco and was on the side of Spain being a republic

@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow ive read his writings. Im not talking about his character

@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow cia were and remain anti socialist. Pro stalinism was strong in the uk and us during ww2. Orwell was on the side of the workers and against those who claimed to be on the side of stalin. Its those who are considered a big reason why the pro republican side lost in the spanish civil war.

@Guitarman123 The CIA is anti socialist and Eric Blair aligned himself with the most anti socialist intelligence services he could.

Spare me. According to his own statements most of the people he snitched on were leftists who were anything but straight.

He definitely was not on the side of workers. He was in bed with the enemy of leftist movements in the UK and America.

Again the people who actually served with him in Spain called the man fascist. He probably did more damage to leftist movements in the UK and the US than any other man.

He was a right winger at best pretending to be a socialist for purely self serving reasons and sold out anyone who actually was serious about creating a socialist nation.

@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow he was against fascism. Thats why he fought on the side of the republicans during the Spanish civil war

@Guitarman123 That is objective false. I don't care what label he pretended to give himself. His actions and actual political positions prove that to be a total fiction.

Again, The people who actually served with him described him as a fascist who happened to join the wrong army.

@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow he wasn't a right winger. His road to wigan pier book was based on first hand experiences. He had no place for stalinists who claimed to be advocating for socialism. Stalin was a fascist, simply in a red coat of paint

@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow i know what you're saying is false as even the uk government spied on him. His actions and positions show that he was on the side of democratic socialism

@Guitarman123 Riiight Because MI5 and the CIA were the champions of the socialist revolution. lol

@Guitarman123 And MI5 spying on him is just due diligence when you hire someone who is a professional sell out.

@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow they spied on him because he was an anti stalinist. Stalin was an ally of the uk and us during ww2.

@Guitarman123 No, they spied on him because he was a snitch. For the same reason police forces keep informants under surveillance.

And sure Stalin was an Ally but so what?

He was only anti stalinist in the sense that he was against the completely fictional cartoon dictator invented by the CIA (even declassified CIA documents plainly say the claim he was a dictator was entirely fiction).

So even in that capacity he was just a propagandist. Which is why he worked for a joint CIA/MI5 propaganda department.

@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow he was against stalin as he was an authoritarian dictator who made lives of russian citizens incredibly miserable and betrayed the intent of the soviet union

@Guitarman123 That is definitely the trope. Unfortunately even the CIA has since declassified documents that stated the claim that he was a dictator was basically fiction and stemmed from a politically useful lack of understanding by the public of how the soviet system worked.

So even when the CIA says the claim he was dictator was bullshit chances are the cliche is just factually wrong. It also explains why he is actually one of the most popular leaders in Russia even now.

I mean there were certainly issues during his time as leader but the dictator claim was basically fabricated. And when Eric Blair is criticizing Stalin based on a bullshit version of events that was created for propaganda that explains alot.

I think we can finally be adults and stop claiming to be leftists while blindly parroting anti leftist propaganda from 70 or 80 years ago.

@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow its historical facts that stalin was a horrific dictator. Those facts were hidden in order to maintain his identity as an ally during ww2. Since then its common knowledge what a monster he was

@Guitarman123 Ummm no. We have cold war propaganda that he was a dictator. They are not facts. In fact even the CIA said based on the facts it was not even remotely a dictatorship.

But the lie was politically useful.

It had nothing to do with maintaining an ally and everything to do with justifying the cold war and the red scare.

And "common knowledge" is very frequently factually incorrect.

@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow even historians recognise that he was a vile monsters as proven by this book
https://www.amazon.com/Stalin-Power-Revolution-Above-1928-1941/dp/0393308693

@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow this book goes into statlins perosnality which was that of a paranoid control freak
https://www.amazon.com/Laws-Human-Nature-Robert-Greene/dp/0525428143