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What the best case scenario for a Trump Presidency could look like.

One of President-elect Trump‘s imposing talents has been to be amorphous enough so that various strands of the Republican coalition can find something appealing in his message, platform and policies.

If you had to divide the GOP today, as opposed to 20 years ago, the previously three constituent strands of the party namely, fiscal conservatism, social conservatism and anti-communist hawkishness have morphed into two distinctly different currents which flow through today’s Republican Party and electorate. The first and Trump empowered segment revolves around nationalism, nativism, protectionism, culture war, global disengagement, populism, lower-income voters and blue-collar workers of all ethnicities.

The other section of the party is populated by the proponents of the pre-Trump Republican consensus positions. They’re skeptical of illegal immigration but against mass deportations and in support of legal immigration. On economics, their positions include a commitment to free trade, although with caveats, support for lower taxes, non-military spending cuts, a modicum of fiscal discipline, deregulation, the nomination of pro-business federal judges and union-skepticism. On foreign policy, this part of the GOP still supports American primacy, leadership, a global footprint, engagement and a hawkish approach to America‘s enemies.

If this strand of the party comes through and the other one remains relatively dormant, the outcome wouldn’t be that problematic. It could actually yield positive results both domestically and internationally. Alas, the odds for that are slim. However, it‘s still conceivable that on immigration, trade and foreign policy Trump doesn’t follow the most heterodox of his impulses.
Best scenario? He helps to end the wars in Ukraine and Israel, and he starts aggressively promoting renewable energy and nature conservation.
nudistsueaz · 61-69, F
@CedricH You Think?
CedricH · M
@nudistsueaz Well, in fact, the popularity of Hamas has dramatically declined inside Gaza over the course of the war because many citizens of Gaza are more clear-eyed in the way they ascribe blame for the carnage that now surrounds them, than certain campus protesters are…
It‘s an opening for a better future that can easily be squandered though.
nudistsueaz · 61-69, F
@CedricH Hope it's better in the future
Slicker24 · 26-30
OMG!!!!!!!Donald Trump won. Now wild dogs will roam the streets. You will have to lock your children up at night it will not be safe. Gangs will run rampant across the nation. The country will be in a constant state of war. Every person will be forced to at least have two jobs. Oh, none of this happened last time he was in office.
CedricH · M
@Slicker24 Did I intimate any of that in my post?
@Slicker24 The only "wild dogs" roaming the streets will be angry, rabid progressive Democrats. You know, those peace loving, non violent, intellectual and civilized Americans.
Slicker24 · 26-30
@SmileOnYourBrother You misunderstood me. I said wild dogs, not wild pigs. I don't want to get too political.
I'm not sure that the second strand mentioned above even exists anymore inside the GOP and seriously doubt it will have much influence even if it does.

Some of the things you point out, like deregulation pro-business judges, and lower taxes, reduced non-military spending and the like may still get pushed through, but even with the entire government under GOP control, I suspect it will be difficult with Trump in charge and the first strand demanding stuff.


Who knows, though, maybe Elon Musk will step up and fill McConnell's shoes.
CedricH · M
@MistyCee In a way, winning control over Congress might actually empower the second strand because Trump has now other options to build his legacy. He doesn’t need to solely rely on executive orders, foreign policy, trade measures and immigration enforcement to do anything with his Presidency. Because that‘s precisely what his Presidency would‘ve been automatically reduced to if the Democrats were to retain control over at least one Congressional chamber.
Now he can legislate (only on budget related issues because of the filibuster) and that means tax and spending cuts along with the more substantial statutory deregulation that can only be done by law not EO. Maybe this opportunity nudges him in that direction. It‘s possible.
Markets seem to be bullish about that scenario.
@CedricH Let's hope. With no adults in the room and few left in Congress, I'm not optimistic and tend to think that the folks wanting to wreck stuff will be the loudest voices.
CedricH · M
@MistyCee Oh they‘re already the loudest voice - by a far. That’s how they took over the party. Whether they‘ll be the most consequential is another matter. But you‘re right. What concerns me most about this second term are the people who’re going to be around him.
I sense an embellishment of the Republican party here.
Merely divide it among those that spit for that shine and those that know how to rub it down!
CedricH · M
@Aliveshock No no, I‘m a former Republican. My neoconservative and neoliberal views are irreconcilable with Trumpism. Nevertheless, that doesn’t mean I‘m devoid of any semblance of hope - even with Trump in office. Now is the time to effectively lobby him the best way possible on the issues of greatest pertinence.
@CedricH Trump has never developed an economy before.
Mark my words.
Inflation will increase!
MAGA remaining dormant? They'll have to become so first, and it will never last long.
CedricH · M
@NerdyPotato I said remain dormant because most of the significant policies enacted during the first Trump term weren’t concessions to MAGA, with notable and disturbing exceptions, of course.
eMortal · M
This "nationalism, nativism, protectionism, culture war, global disengagement, populism, lower-income voters and blue-collar workers of all ethnicities." Seem to be the way forward for GOP today.
Other factions you described failed to gain popular support.
Now the question is will that old school GOP get on board?
CedricH · M
@eMortal Failed to gain popular support? Polls strongly indicated that support for Nikki Haley in a Haley-Biden match would’ve surpassed both Trump‘s and DeSantis‘ lead over Biden. And that part of the Republican Party won two elections under Reagan, one under George H.W. Bush, two again under George W. Bush and a lot of key Congressional elections. Especially in 1994 and 2010. I still maintain that the broader national electorate, especially in the swing states, leans center-right. But within the Republican base, what used to be a former majority in favor of candidates with center-right records has now turned into a minority. For now. That much is true.
thisguy20 · 41-45, M
Best case: donOLD and jd both have massive heart attacked before being sworn in
CedricH · M
@thisguy20 So you want House Republicans to vote for the President instead?
thisguy20 · 41-45, M
@CedricH Not really, but considering all the trouble they've had in picking a Speaker of the House, there is a very real chance we wouldn't have one until 2029
CedricH · M
😂
PeterF15 · 13-15, M
I would be glad if he helps to stop wars in the world and implies reasonable diplomacy.
ViciDraco · 36-40, M
My best cases are that we do see him decide to push forward on renewables and space due to Musk's influence. Despite not liking Musk as a person, I agree with him on pushing electric vehicles, renewable energy, and space exploration. It makes for an odd pairing giving Trump's historical hatred for renewables, especially electric vehicles and wind energy - his battle against wind starting well before 2015
CedricH · M
@ViciDraco Musk is no supporter of government subsidies for the purpose of a climate change transition, you do realize that?
ViciDraco · 36-40, M
@CedricH he's sure accepted them in other domains. You said best, not likely. The best way to have Trump drop antagonism towards renewables is to have a rich "friend" invested in them whispering into his ear
CedricH · M
@ViciDraco It‘s probable that the unspent subsidy tranches of the IRA will be used to partly offset the costs of the planned tax reforms.

 
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