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LeopoldBloom · M
But some states are pretty big. What if people in rural California want to outlaw abortion? Or people in Dallas-Ft. Worth want to legalize it? Better let each county decide. Or go even smaller and let each woman decide.
If Trump loses, it will be because of this.
If Trump loses, it will be because of this.
samueltyler2 · 80-89, M
@LeopoldBloom I am for the latter, let it between a woman and her physician!
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softspokenman · M
@samueltyler2 @Prison1203 Search on why Roe V Wade became a constitutional law.
Prison1203 · 61-69, M
@softspokenman how about answer my question first
softspokenman · M
@Prison1203 When you do the search your question will be answered, it is not considered MURDER of an unborn "CHILD".
samueltyler2 · 80-89, M
@softspokenman i have, it was not a constitutional law, it was a decision of the Supreme Court that a woman has the right to have an abortion. There is no such thing as "a constitutional law." I don't understand the point of your other response. In some states, abortion is now a crime punishable by imprisonment for both the woman and the doctors involved.
Prison1203 · 61-69, M
@softspokenman it is to most scientists that say life begins at conception, so yes it’s an unborn child. And that’s when the scotus was democratically biased , why do you think they ruled the way they did for it now? Because it is a states issue and not a federal one. Which is the way it should have been in the first place
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softspokenman · M
@samueltyler2 "No constitutional law" My apology. Working from memory is not always accurate with word usage.
In some states where abortion is illegal some people want to arrest the Doctor and the woman and prosecute them for the abortion. (the web)
In some states where abortion is illegal some people want to arrest the Doctor and the woman and prosecute them for the abortion. (the web)
softspokenman · M
@Prison1203 You didn't do the search. 

samueltyler2 · 80-89, M
@softspokenman we are agreeing with this. What is your point? My point is that this variation is why abortion should not be considered state by state, and should have been codified into federal law. If Trump had not appointed the specific justices on the basis of a litmus test, we would not be in this awkward position of the law being different in certain states.
samueltyler2 · 80-89, M
@softspokenman I give up with you. I have no idea what search you would like me to do, and what you predict I will find.
How are these?
https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/roe-v-wade-and-supreme-court-abortion-cases
https://subscriptlaw.com/roe-v-wade/?gad_source=1&gclid=Cj0KCQjw05i4BhDiARIsAB_2wfBYEb8EQ3DcZpa3lWB-fi7yMRvo5LRSXVg2QQfkiYnXa9HaCCe_XIsaAtf7EALw_wcB
How are these?
https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/roe-v-wade-and-supreme-court-abortion-cases
https://subscriptlaw.com/roe-v-wade/?gad_source=1&gclid=Cj0KCQjw05i4BhDiARIsAB_2wfBYEb8EQ3DcZpa3lWB-fi7yMRvo5LRSXVg2QQfkiYnXa9HaCCe_XIsaAtf7EALw_wcB
Prison1203 · 61-69, M
@softspokenman you didn’t answer my question, I don’t do deflection
softspokenman · M
@samueltyler2 You will find the reason why abortion became legal. Ending decades of 'females not always women' from using poisonous drugs to abort themselves or from committing suicide.
*simple search: Why did Roe V wade become law.*
*simple search: Why did Roe V wade become law.*
Prison1203 · 61-69, M
@softspokenman who says it’s not legal, it was left up to the states.its no longer a federal law
samueltyler2 · 80-89, M
@softspokenman I give up with you. You are arguing just for the sake of arguing.
LeopoldBloom · M
@Prison1203 The 4th Amendment requires that people be secure in their persons and not subject to unlawful search and seizure. This could be taken to allow privacy in medical care, including abortion.
The 13th Amendment prohibits slavery. Forcing a woman to gestate against her will is a form of slavery, same as forcing her to pick cotton against her will.
Life doesn't begin at conception since sperm and egg cells are alive. Saying that legally protected life begins at conception is arbitrary. Show me in the Bill of Rights where it says legal personhood begins at conception. In fact, the 14th Amendment says all persons born in the United States are citizens, not all persons conceived in the US, so according to the Constitution, legal personhood begins at birth. You can't deduct a fetus on your taxes, you have to wait until it's born.
The 13th Amendment prohibits slavery. Forcing a woman to gestate against her will is a form of slavery, same as forcing her to pick cotton against her will.
Life doesn't begin at conception since sperm and egg cells are alive. Saying that legally protected life begins at conception is arbitrary. Show me in the Bill of Rights where it says legal personhood begins at conception. In fact, the 14th Amendment says all persons born in the United States are citizens, not all persons conceived in the US, so according to the Constitution, legal personhood begins at birth. You can't deduct a fetus on your taxes, you have to wait until it's born.
22Michelle · 61-69, T
@Prison1203 Says the man deflecting!